What Do Christians Think Of Astral Projection?

[nPeace]

Also I forgot which point in the bible this was, somewhere in the beginning. But when Jesus was baptized and had that experience of encountering satan and satan trying to trick him. This is could also be seen as an out of body experience and he was learning to control his fears. While he was being baptized he was held under to the point of having a near death experience where he found himself in the astrals or out of body. Re-read it with an open mind of it being an out of body experience and that he is facing his fears. You will notice that it being an out of body experience does make alot of sense.

Why? Is that not only viewed that way, because you believe that practicing divination is good?
Because one practices something, does not mean that one can apply it to every passage they find in the Bible, of visions.
For example, can you explain how, Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego were able to physically survive a fiery furnace?

 

[Terry Sampson]

The hell he did. What rot.

We can ask him when we see him.

 

[nPeace]

Okay but if you looked into AP more and studied it you would find that a lot of demonic experiences have to do with the fact that people just simply can't control their thoughts and don't realize that in these other states of consciousness thought is very powerful and can manifest itself. People say the same thing about Sleep Paralysis saying demons will attack you. But from personal experience every scary experience I have had I created myself with my thoughts. How do I know? Because I could literally see something scary or what I thought to be a demon and then turn it into whatever I wanted. Every since I realized I am in control I havent seen anything scary since..

I think the king of Babylon thought he was in control too.
(Ezekiel 21:21) Do you think that was the case, as well?

 

[Jesse Carr]

So there are not many mentions of Astral projection in the Bible. Just people interpret many passages in the Bible to mean Astral projection. I understand, that explains your belief. Thanks.

Those passages are understood differently by different people.
Can you explain more specifically what leads you to believe that some part of the person left their body... what part is that, and what scriptures you would say, support your belief.

Because it says things like "when I was in spirit I saw a man" that wording implied being in spirit, out of body. How would you interpret this?

 

[Jesse Carr]

• I've never done it myself and have never personally known anybody who has.
• I am familiar with stories about Padre Pio's "bilocations", i.e. being in two places at the same time (See Bilocation)
  • I've never seen anyone refer to his "bilocations" as APs, so I'm not absolutely certain that what occurs in both is the same thing.
  • Padre Pio's bilocations were consequences of his closeness to the Lord, something I suspect that you may be lacking a few years of experience in, with all due respect.
• Jesus' temptation by Satan was something no one ought to be trying to undergo. 1st rule of life: "Don't go looking for Satan, 'cause he makes a nasty dance partner."
• I checked William Bulman and see that he actually offers/offered a 6-day workshop.
• Right now, I'm inclined to think you're just having fun with the experiences that you've had messing with other folks' minds. Get past that attitude.

Me saying Jesus was facing his fears doesn't imply that I am searching for Satan. The fact of the matter is that because of society fear is engraved into our minds and easily comes out when in these states of consciousness. If you want to practice a spiritual life whether you like it or not you will have to face your fears, because fear itself holds people back.

 

[Jesse Carr]

Ezekiel 21:21 has nothing to do with astral travel or the mind so I have no clue what the point of that reference was. But you are in control everyone is and thats a gift from god. The issue here is people believe for some reason they aren't which lets evil energy in.. Evil gets in through the mind. From influences from others and ideas. Don't really want to get into it. Just the main thing here is I am curious if other christians believe it's evil... And not based on other peoples ideas but based on their own experience!

Because it seems like the people that say AP is evil or dangerous are the people who have never experienced it and have false ideas of what it actually is. In reality it isn't even magic like people say. It's a gift from god that we can use to get closer to him. AP is something that we all do whether we realize it or not, it isn't something people seek. 9 times out of 10 it happens on accident and then people want to learn more about what they experienced. Our here on earth is temporary, leaving our body or projecting whatever you want to call it is going back to our true form. A form that we have all spent Wayyy more time in than our existence here. How would something like this be bad? It's only considered bad because you can encounter evil. But evil is everywhere whether you are in physical or out of body. Doesn't make any sense to me why people accept evil here in the physical and just live with it, while at the same time they say something like AP is demonic. It's like saying living here on earth is demonic because we encounter evil. Know what I mean?

 

[nPeace]

Because it says things like "when I was in spirit I saw a man" that wording implied being in spirit, out of body. How would you interpret this?

When I was in spirit?
Can you explain what that means. In other words, is "I" body, soul, spirit?
If "I" is spirit, then which scripture says "I the spirit" is possible?
As far as I have read in the Bible, 1) man's spirit leaves his body - he dies. 2) That spirit is not an entity living inside the body, but rather, it is the life force - which is essential to life.See Ecclesiastes 3:19; 12:7 and Psalm 146:4.

If "I" is soul, then which scriptures support the idea that the soul is a living entity inside the body?
As far as the scriptures go, soul is the life of the creature, or the creature, and not an entity inside the creature. See Genesis 1:24; 2:7.

If "I" is body, well clearly, "I" is not out of body.

Letting the Bible speak, which is what I do, I allow the Bible to interpret itself. I don't interpret it.

 

[nPeace]

@Jesse Carr I forgot to add... Consider Acts 20:22
Acts 20:22 And now, compelled by the Spirit, I am going to Jerusalem, not knowing what will happen to me there.
What does the expression "in the spirit" mean here.
Does this not help us have a different perspective? (2 Peter 1:21)

 

[InChrist]

Okay but if you looked into AP more and studied it you would find that a lot of demonic experiences have to do with the fact that people just simply can't control their thoughts and don't realize that in these other states of consciousness thought is very powerful and can manifest itself. People say the same thing about Sleep Paralysis saying demons will attack you. But from personal experience every scary experience I have had I created myself with my thoughts. How do I know? Because I could literally see something scary or what I thought to be a demon and then turn it into whatever I wanted. Every since I realized I am in control I havent seen anything scary since..

Just the fact that you think and say things like “I am in control “ or “ I have created myself” are clear indications that 1) you are practicing witchcraft and 2) you are being deceived and manipulated by demons.
Any kind of practice where one attempts to control or influence their environment, others or supernatural forces through various techniques, rituals, thoughts, etc. is a form of witchcraft.
Demonic beings are very intelligent, much more so than any human being and they are adept at knowing just how to manipulate you and deceive you while feeding your pride so that all the while you believe you are in control... until it’s too late.

 

[Straw Dog]

Hello, I am not here to start any debates or arguments because I know this topic is kind of broad. Some think it's evil some think its okay.

The reason I am posting this is because I am getting into Astral Projection, I see it as something that is not evil and that could actually help you get closer to god.

There are many mentions of it in the bible and nothing says it is bad, there are even many of the main characters that have had Out Of Body Experience stories. The only thing I see that people can relate to it as being bad is the fact that in the bible it says "Occult or Witchcraft is evil". However if you look up what an "Occult" or "Witchcraft" it has to do with demon worship and summoning. This is not Astral Projection at all.

So I am curious, what do other Christians think of Astral Projection? And if you think it is bad, why do you think it is bad and where did you learn that it was bad?

Thanks everyone!

Hello Jesse,

Don’t be afraid to start a debate or argument. It’s okay to be disagreeable, people will like or dislike you regardless. Most are sheep.

As an ex-Christian and present dreamer, I think it’s one of the best ways to exercise our imagination. Now, by imagining, I don’t necessarily mean a falsehood... it’s an act of creation. If that’s not being in the image of God, then I don’t know what is.

 

[`mud]

I don't think how many thousands of pages one reads,
Bunk is bunk !

 

[GoodbyeDave]

I quote the Wiki article on Astral Projection:

Wikipedia is a noted bastion of scientism, but even if it weren't it's still open to any idiot to edit. I wish I a had fiver for every error I've read on it.

The only thing close to a "department of parapsychology" I can find is the Koestler Unit at Edinburgh.

The you haven't looked very far. Even Wikipedia mentions "research in … 30 different countries"

Christians with a science education will be pretty dismissive of it.

Shock, horror! Since I've known some very strange scientists and consider Christianity to be bunk, I think I can live with that.

 

[exchemist]

Wikipedia is a noted bastion of scientism, but even if it weren't it's still open to any idiot to edit. I wish I a had fiver for every error I've read on it.


The you haven't looked very far. Even Wikipedia mentions "research in … 30 different countries"


Shock, horror! Since I've known some very strange scientists and consider Christianity to be bunk, I think I can live with that.

Ah but you are claiming there are "departments of parapsychology". Where?

I am saying I have only found one "unit", (not a department), at one university, with two named researchers in it, only one of whom seems to be investigating parapsychology as possibly being an objectively observable thing.

 

[Rational Agnostic]

Hello, I am not here to start any debates or arguments because I know this topic is kind of broad. Some think it's evil some think its okay.

The reason I am posting this is because I am getting into Astral Projection, I see it as something that is not evil and that could actually help you get closer to god.

There are many mentions of it in the bible and nothing says it is bad, there are even many of the main characters that have had Out Of Body Experience stories. The only thing I see that people can relate to it as being bad is the fact that in the bible it says "Occult or Witchcraft is evil". However if you look up what an "Occult" or "Witchcraft" it has to do with demon worship and summoning. This is not Astral Projection at all.

So I am curious, what do other Christians think of Astral Projection? And if you think it is bad, why do you think it is bad and where did you learn that it was bad?

Thanks everyone!

I used to try to astral project when I was in high school. I had some experiences where it *seemed* as though I left my body, however, the experiences were not very vivid and I was never able to verify that I saw anything real, indicating that they were almost certainly just dreams. Almost every astral projection experience that you hear about, people describe things that aren't there in reality, indicating that the experiences are nothing more than dreams.

 

[Frank Goad]

Hello, I am not here to start any debates or arguments because I know this topic is kind of broad. Some think it's evil some think its okay.

The reason I am posting this is because I am getting into Astral Projection, I see it as something that is not evil and that could actually help you get closer to god.

There are many mentions of it in the bible and nothing says it is bad, there are even many of the main characters that have had Out Of Body Experience stories. The only thing I see that people can relate to it as being bad is the fact that in the bible it says "Occult or Witchcraft is evil". However if you look up what an "Occult" or "Witchcraft" it has to do with demon worship and summoning. This is not Astral Projection at all.

So I am curious, what do other Christians think of Astral Projection? And if you think it is bad, why do you think it is bad and where did you learn that it was bad?

Thanks everyone!

Can you pull people out of their bodies astrally? - ErinPavlina.com

If out of body people can do like the above link.And take people to see God and angels and dead relatives that are unbelievers.Why do they not do it more?As a person that is more geared toward the jehovah's witness religion.I never understood this.

 

[WhyIsThatSo]

Hello, I am not here to start any debates or arguments because I know this topic is kind of broad. Some think it's evil some think its okay.

The reason I am posting this is because I am getting into Astral Projection, I see it as something that is not evil and that could actually help you get closer to god.

There are many mentions of it in the bible and nothing says it is bad, there are even many of the main characters that have had Out Of Body Experience stories. The only thing I see that people can relate to it as being bad is the fact that in the bible it says "Occult or Witchcraft is evil". However if you look up what an "Occult" or "Witchcraft" it has to do with demon worship and summoning. This is not Astral Projection at all.

So I am curious, what do other Christians think of Astral Projection? And if you think it is bad, why do you think it is bad and where did you learn that it was bad?

Thanks everyone!

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It is a good thing ONLY if you know what it is. There is nothing inherently "evil" (because such "evil" has no true existence),
so it depends on "you". It can help you ascend and transcend if you know who you are. But if you do not "know yourself",
it can destroy 'you'.

 

[Deeje]

Can you pull people out of their bodies astrally? - ErinPavlina.com

If out of body people can do like the above link.And take people to see God and angels and dead relatives that are unbelievers.Why do they not do it more?As a person that is more geared toward the jehovah's witness religion.I never understood this.

The demons are deceivers, like their leader....very clever ones, so nothing is as it seems. There is nothing more satisfying to the demons than getting humans to disobey their God. They can’t force us to do anything, but will definitely provide all the temptations necessary to lead us down the wrong track. And of course they are laughing at the gullibility demonstrated in their successes.

We have Biblical examples where the devil created a temptation and the disobedient humans just fell for it, eliminating themselves from God’s good graces and meriting his punishment. That means that we are given enough rope.....to create the means of choosing our own death. Better not to pick up the rope in the first place. It is never a bad idea to obey God. It is always a bad idea to disobey him......it never ends well.

If God prohibits this kind of activity, you can be sure that it is a protection for those who may be curious about the supernatural. You know what they say about curiosity....?

 

[blü 2]

Hello, I am not here to start any debates or arguments because I know this topic is kind of broad. Some think it's evil some think its okay.

The reason I am posting this is because I am getting into Astral Projection, I see it as something that is not evil and that could actually help you get closer to god.

There are many mentions of it in the bible and nothing says it is bad, there are even many of the main characters that have had Out Of Body Experience stories. The only thing I see that people can relate to it as being bad is the fact that in the bible it says "Occult or Witchcraft is evil". However if you look up what an "Occult" or "Witchcraft" it has to do with demon worship and summoning. This is not Astral Projection at all.

So I am curious, what do other Christians think of Astral Projection? And if you think it is bad, why do you think it is bad and where did you learn that it was bad?

Thanks everyone!

I quote Wikipedia:

The term out-of-body experience was introduced in 1943 by G. N. M. Tyrrell in his book Apparitions, and was adopted by researchers such as Celia Green and Robert Monroe as an alternative to belief-centric labels such as "astral projection" or "spirit walking". OBEs can be induced by traumatic brain injuries, sensory deprivation, near-death experiences, dissociative and psychedelic drugs, dehydration, sleep disorders and dreaming and electrical stimulation of the brain, among others. It can also be deliberately induced by some. One in ten people have an OBE once, or more commonly, several times in their life.​

I respectfully suggest you read the whole article.

 

[Deeje]

Our here on earth is temporary, leaving our body or projecting whatever you want to call it is going back to our true form. A form that we have all spent Wayyy more time in than our existence here. How would something like this be bad?

Who told you that? What scriptural evidence do you have that there is anything conscious that leaves the body at death? What makes you think we were all spirit beings before coming to live this material life here on earth?.....that sounds like a Mormon idea, not a biblical one.

The ancient Jews had no belief in an afterlife at all. (Ecclesiastes 9:5; 10) The grave (sheol) was a final destination for all....the only way to live again, was by resurrection i.e. a return to this life under the future rulership of God’s kingdom.

There was no mention in Genesis of God “giving” Adam a soul, rather that he “became” a soul (a living breathing creature) when God breathed “spirit” (breath) into him. IOW, there is nothing that leaves the body at death and there is nothing to leave the body in AP. Our thought processes are inextricably linked to an active brain. Once the brain dies, all thought processes cease. Anything that is “experienced” that takes one “out of body” is all happening in your brain....the workings of which are not yet fully understood.

It's only considered bad because you can encounter evil. But evil is everywhere whether you are in physical or out of body. Doesn't make any sense to me why people accept evil here in the physical and just live with it, while at the same time they say something like AP is demonic. It's like saying living here on earth is demonic because we encounter evil. Know what I mean?

Nothing that God does is evil. He warns us about spiritistic practices, so if we ignore him, we step outside of his protection and into dangerous territory. Demonism, like magic, can present as harmless but it has the same author. The devil has just one agenda.....but he has many approaches. He has many approaches to appeal to all weaknesses in the human race. He will work on a weakness that you don’t even know you have.....

 

[PearlSeeker]

The most well known passage from the Bible and undoubtedly about OBE is 2 Corinthians 12:2:

" I know a person in Christ who fourteen years ago was caught up to the third heaven—whether in the body or out of the body I do not know; God knows."