What do we do about Iran?

[Glaurung]

The hypocrisy of challenging sovereign states over their nuclear capacity, whist keeping a vast nuclear arsenal themselves is stunning to me. Why has Iran got any less right to nukes than all of the other countries that have them?

It may be hypocritical, but better hypocrisy than a world where everyone has nukes.

 

[Bunyip]

It may be hypocritical, but better hypocrisy than a world where everyone has nukes.

No, not really. Everyone having them is better than just a couple of players.

 

[Revoltingest]

If the issue were only nukes in the hands of a deadly enemy, then we should go after N Korea first.
They've been in the news recently....
North Korea fires missiles in anger at South-US military drills - Yahoo News
But why don't we?
What's really going on here is that Israel is strongly lobbying for us to attack Iran, or to support them in doing so.

 

[Glaurung]

No, not really. Everyone having them is better than just a couple of players.

I'm just not as confident as you that allowing more people weapons capable of rendering this planet uninhabitable is a good idea. Political hypocrisy seems a rather trite concern in comparison.

 

[Bunyip]

I'm just not as confident as you that allowing more people weapons capable of rendering this planet uninhabitable is a good idea. Political hypocrisy seems a rather trite concern in comparison.

I understand what you are saying, but disagree. Sure in a perfect world nuclear power in the hands of only a few, setect benevolent regimes with human rights as their priority would be better. But in the real world, Iran has just as legitimate a claim as does any other state.

 

[Revoltingest]

I'm just not as confident as you that allowing more people weapons capable of rendering this planet uninhabitable is a good idea. Political hypocrisy seems a rather trite concern in comparison.

Such overt hypocrisy by Americastan is far from "trite". Our duplicity fans the flames of terrorism against us. So I argue that instead of perpetrating coups & war against Iran, we should instead try being ethical & trustworthy....for a change....a big change.

 

[max_freakout]

Imagine the war WHEN Israel gets nukes

It isnt a question of "when" - Israel ALREADY has nukes, they are very secretive about it but it has been widely known for a long time that they are a nuclear armed coutry

 

[CMike]

Why would israel worry?

https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=10153944193957316

 

[CMike]

It isnt a question of "when" - Israel ALREADY has nukes, they are very secretive about it but it has been widely known for a long time that they are a nuclear armed coutry

I made a mistake I meant Iran.

 

[Revoltingest]

Why would israel worry?

https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=10153944193957316

Given the behavior of Americastan & Israel, Iran has even greater reason to worry.
I also note that the text mischievously misstates the Iranian quote in the video. And the Israeli characterization is not a direct quote, but instead translation & inference. I don't trust the Israelis to honestly represent their own plight, or the danger posed by Iran.

 

[CMike]

Kind of says it all, no?

 

[CMike]

More.

They are yelling in Iran Death To America.

What do you think will happen when they have nukes?

They won't attack the US directly but they will give it one of their proxy terrorist groups to use against us.

Obama will let it happen.

 

[CMike]

Given the behavior of Americastan & Israel, Iran has even greater reason to worry.
I also note that the text mischievously misstates the Iranian quote in the video. And the Israeli characterization is not a direct quote, but instead translation & inference. I don't trust the Israelis to honestly represent their own plight, or the danger posed by Iran.

You have no evidence that the translation is incorrect?

 

[Revoltingest]

Kind of says it all, no?

I recall an interview on NPR with a journalist visiting Iran. He was riding in a cab, when a traffic jam stalled their progress. The cabbie yelled out the window "Death to traffic jams!". It raises the question about just how much literal intent is behind the chants so oft cited by Israelis, US politicians, & Jews. I know that if I said something which sounds like "Yop tvayoo mat." to a Russian, he'd take no offense. If I translated it into English, said it to you, I'll wager you'd beat me to a bloody pulp. (I hate it when that happens.). So instead of artfully culled & translated quotes, I'll look at actual behavior. Given what USA & Israel have done to Iran, I'd say their response has been relatively benign.

 

[Revoltingest]

You have no evidence that the translation is incorrect?

Not for that one. But based upon others, I distrust Israeli sympathizers. We have at least one Farsi speaker here as I recall. I'm curious what he would say.

 

[CMike]

Let's look at Israel's action.

They have supported Al Qaida in the US' active war against them.

They have supported Hezbollah.

They have supported Hamas.

They are center of evil when it comes to terrorist groups.

They clearly say Death To America, Death to Israel, Death to England.

Come on guys, use your head.

 

[CMike]

What about the burning of the American flag as well as the Death To America chants. How is that mistranslated?

 

[Revoltingest]

Let's look at Israel's action.
They have supported Al Qaida in the US' active war against them.
They have supported Hezbollah.
They have supported Hamas.
They are center of evil when it comes to terrorist groups.
They clearly say Death To America, Death to Israel, Death to England.
Come on guys, use your head.

I'll bet your left one that you're accusing the wrong country again.

 

[Revoltingest]

What about the burning of the American flag as well as the Death To America chants. How is that mistranslated?

Given that we staged a coup in Iran....
1953 Iranian coup d'état - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
.....& supplied Iraq with WMDs (chem & bio) to use against Iran & the Kurds....
United States support for Iraq during the Iran–Iraq war - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
......I'd say they have a right to respond to us with violent rhetoric. We attacked them first & second.

Instead of attacking them once again, how about we just start treating them ethically & with dignity?
It's worth trying for once.

 

[CMike]

Let's say you are right about why they want to kill us. They still want to kill us, and with nukes we are giving them a much greater chance of doing so.