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What do you dislike about Capitalism?

Ukonkivi

Member
I? I dislike much of the following.

Overly competitive. Two people going for the same job, are not allies in their desire to work and make a living. They are enemies whom fortune may have the chance to smile upon only one.

Allows too much power and control over people. Money is power. Capitalists acknowledge this well and seek it. But it's this power I am against. Money has too much power.

As Marx said, Capitalism is not individuality, the worker must "sell him/herself to the Capitalist of higher power in the hierarchy". The person lower on the hierarchy must always sell themselves before who they are as an individual to someone who is higher on the hierarchy than they.

Capitalism helps to destroy community and contact. Conservatives often talk about how community and family is import. Capitalism is not more individualism than Capitalism, it is merely a more solitary individualism. Capitalism breed Separatism from every other human being. Save for some family institutions that will eventually scatter as husbands and wives divorce and children leave and go out on their own in an ongoing cycle.

How about I end it here and let you continue on, I'll but ramble.
 

Makaveli

Homoioi
I? I dislike much of the following.

Overly competitive. Two people going for the same job, are not allies in their desire to work and make a living. They are enemies whom fortune may have the chance to smile upon only one.

Allows too much power and control over people. Money is power. Capitalists acknowledge this well and seek it. But it's this power I am against. Money has too much power.

As Marx said, Capitalism is not individuality, the worker must "sell him/herself to the Capitalist of higher power in the hierarchy". The person lower on the hierarchy must always sell themselves before who they are as an individual to someone who is higher on the hierarchy than they.

Capitalism helps to destroy community and contact. Conservatives often talk about how community and family is import. Capitalism is not more individualism than Capitalism, it is merely a more solitary individualism. Capitalism breed Separatism from every other human being. Save for some family institutions that will eventually scatter as husbands and wives divorce and children leave and go out on their own in an ongoing cycle.

How about I end it here and let you continue on, I'll but ramble.

I will respond to your claims in order

1. Capitalism is good because it fosters competition. Why should two people both get a job if one is better? Life is about competition and it shouldn't be any other way.

2. Money has power because we give it power, and if people have the ability and will to attain large sums of money ergo large sums of power, they should be allowed to. This dovetails in with the doctrine of competition.

3. So?

4. How does this work? Competition does not foster separation between families and communities in my experience.

The things I dislike about capitalism only apply when it is completely unfettered, and when corporations are allowed to do whatever they please. I have no problems with it as long as my environment remains clean, and the workers not too exploited.
 

linwood

Well-Known Member
The things I dislike about capitalism only apply when it is completely unfettered, and when corporations are allowed to do whatever they please. I have no problems with it as long as my environment remains clean, and the workers not too exploited.

This I agree with however capitalism seems to erode cultural morality the more it is emphasized.

It turns everyone into the equivalent of the slimy used car salesman willing to lie cheat and or steal to make a buck.
It`s not necessary.

Social ethical behavior should be focused on very heavily in a capitalistic society
 

Zephyr

Moved on
It's the hierarchy. If we could somehow make capitalism work without wage slavery, I'd have much less an issue with it. As it stands, it's simply insulting.
 

Sunstone

De Diablo Del Fora
Premium Member
Capitalism is a beneficial system in several respects, but it comes with a huge flaw. It is obsessed with profit. Now, there is nothing wrong with profit in and of itself. But there is certainly something wrong with an obsession with profit. Anytime you maximize one and only one value, you create a system that denies other values. And capitalism, by maximizing profits, creates a system that denies other values -- in fact, it denies all values that are in any way at odds with maximizing profit. So, for instance, capitalism becomes the enemy of sane ecological policies in so far as those policies interfere with maximizing profit.
 

Madhuri

RF Goddess
Staff member
Premium Member
What I don't like is human tendency to make everything extreme. So if capitalism is established, it turns into extreme capitalism which is incredibly corrupt and totally unsustainable.

Humans can really suck.
 

sandandfoam

Veteran Member
The Banks. I really resent the fact that I, my children and probably their children will be paying for their greed. Really ticks me off. Where are the free marketeers hiding now that the transfer of wealth is from public to private.
 

Aquitaine

Well-Known Member
I'm not much of a Politcal person, but from what I know both Capaitalism and Communism have their Pro's and Con's. I think maybe a System that's sorta in the middle might be the best answer? :shrug:

What annoys me about Capitalism, like as stephenw said - the Banks. We pretty much are living under a Dictatorship, only the Dictactors have glossly Corporate Skyscrapers and they sell products and all have white teeth.

Another thing that annoys me about Capitalism is the obsession with making money as the primary goal of an institue. It's like, I'm tired of having Hospitals close down or become ineffective because the Government arn't giving them enough money, and that they're been forced to convert to a money-making, cost-cutting bureacracy, rather than a place where you heal/treat people.

I kinda like the idea of Communism how it's all about having an institue or people work towards the actual intended goal of the said institute/group. Hospitals are to heal/treat, Police are to protect, Schools are to educate etc etc. They're not suppossed to be places where the staff are ordered and resorted to having the primary purpose be saving/making money, or just hitting these useless Government Targets that actually counteract the purpose of the said institute.
 

Willamena

Just me
Premium Member
Allows too much power and control over people. Money is power. Capitalists acknowledge this well and seek it. But it's this power I am against. Money has too much power.
Money is also life. What I dislike is that ideally under Capitalism the rich continue to get richer and the poor poorer.
 

Mr Cheese

Well-Known Member
I dislike the way that it makes hand bags expensive

any system is inherantly flawed
My major "dislike" then is the fact ignoramuses think 1) Capitalism is the only valid system 2) Everythign besides Capitalism is evil, anti Christian, UnAmerican...

Capitalism also perpetuates teh myth that you can crawl from the bottom to the top, which can happen, but to a very small minority. Capitalism also promotes the myth of a meritocracy, the need to get one up....climb that ladder. Which frankly is garbage. Capitalism in its promotion of and need of profits also drives the economy so that profits become the main focus instead of quality of life. So we get the american health system and the Police meeting "quotas" etc etc etc

Not to mention how capitalism interacts with globalism....

Capitalism also makes my elbows itch
 
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PureX

Veteran Member
The fundamental problem with capitalism is that it is designed to serve only investors. And it does so at the cost of everyone else involved. That makes the capitalist enterprise a parasite that is willing to destroy even it's own host society to maximize profits.
 

Bismillah

Submit
Capitalism is a beneficial system in several respects, but it comes with a huge flaw. It is obsessed with profit. Now, there is nothing wrong with profit in and of itself. But there is certainly something wrong with an obsession with profit. Anytime you maximize one and only one value, you create a system that denies other values. And capitalism, by maximizing profits, creates a system that denies other values -- in fact, it denies all values that are in any way at odds with maximizing profit. So, for instance, capitalism becomes the enemy of sane ecological policies in so far as those policies interfere with maximizing profit.
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Isn't that why we have the government to enforce these policies?
 

ManTimeForgot

Temporally Challenged
Capitalism in the ideal is negative feedback self-reinforcing system predicated on the value of capital (not just profit; the difference is small, but noticeable once you consider the self-reinforcing aspect). Anytime the activities of a particular agency become disreputable the consumers should (ideally) let the producers know their displeasure by way of buying elsewhere. The majority of profit derived from a particular agency is (again in the ideal) reinvested into the company in order to expand the infrastructure, create more business, allow for greater and more venues to be entered into, and support the payments of the members of the agency. And all of this is predicated on the assumption that the availability and usability of resources: social, material, etc (altogether referred to as capital) is of utmost importance to the advancement and maintenance of a society.


"Capitalism is a good system... until men get greedy." I believe something of this order is attributable to Thomas Jefferson. Short story: Capitalism began as an amoral construct. It combined Protestant (essentially Calvinist) work ethics with a focus on maximizing gains. If we had actually maintained the corporate good as a part of the manifest reality of Capitalism, then perhaps we would not have the problems we do today. But someone somewhere along the line figured out that you could line the pockets of the people at the top and few people would care enough to go elsewhere... So self-reinforcing and negative feedback suddenly vanishes from the system...

Capitalism will reach its maximum output some day, and as we approach that day (some might be tempted to say soon as evidence by the fact that work co-operatives and communal agencies are appearing) various attempts at creating a substitute modality will appear. Expression of flaws and an inability to keep up with the increasing demands (in magnitude and variety) will eventually lead to the collapse of Capitalism.

MTF
 

Guitar's Cry

Disciple of Pan
I agree with much that has been said already, but I would like to add that I don't like the consumerist culture it propagates.

Because of customer service values like providing faster service, endless amounts of disposable products that can be returned at will, and the customer always being right, we seem to have created a generation of folks that expect life to be this way.

I don't know how many students I see that expect education to act this way. :cover:
 
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