Rainbow Mage
Lib Democrat/Agnostic/Epicurean-ish/Buddhist-ish
What do I dislike about Capitalism?
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What do you dislike about Capitalism?
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enchanted_one1975
Resident Lycanthrope
What do you dislike about Capitalism?
The fact that those who have done nothing feel that are being cheated out of the rewards that those who have worked hard receive.
The fact that those who have done nothing feel that are being cheated out of the rewards that those who have worked hard receive.
painted wolf
Grey Muzzle
LoL... there are what, 2 communist countries left... ?
Egads....
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Father Heathen
Veteran Member
That people think it's a flawless fix all and that child labor and similar exploitation in third world countries builds good character.
See, I can play that retarded game too.
See, I can play that retarded game too.
dust1n
Zindīq
Indeed. This would be the quickest way to sum up my feelings on the subject.
xkatz
Well-Known Member
LoL... there are what, 2 communist countries left... ?
Egads....
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List of Communist Countries:
-People's Republic of China- 1-1.2 billion people
-Vietnam- 80-85 million
-Loas- 5-6 million
-North Korea- 20-25 million
-Cuba- 10-12 million
That means Communism rules approx 1/7 of the Worlds population.
Not only that but there are countries leaning towards Communism, the extreme left or have Communist threats.
Such as:
-India- Large Maoist groups called Naxalites based in the jungles and the Communist Party of India have strength in some regions such as Calcutta
-Nepal- Maoist forces have controlled the gov't before and are disputing the fact that Maoist can't vote
-Venezuela- Left leaning leader (Hugo Chavez) who is trying to become a permanent leader of the gov't/country. Also companies and etc are frequently nationalized
-Bolivia- Basically the same as Venezuela
-Libya- Left leaning leader. Not really sure thought if it could potentially become Communist because of it's Muslim population
Communism might not be as grand or as powerful as it used to be during the Cold War, but, it still is there and has the potential to have a resurgence.
Father Heathen
Veteran Member
xkatz
Well-Known Member
Eh?
Well mainstream Communism is almost always atheistic, so mainstream Communism and Islam are not usually compatible in those aspects.
Aquitaine
Well-Known Member
Can it not be said though that China is a somewhat ugly hybrid of both Capitalism and Communism? I mean, China does have an upper-class, and they trade a lot. Y' know, the Chinese workers get oppressed by both big Government and big business, all the while making goods for mostly Capitalist countries.
xkatz
Well-Known Member
While economically speaking the People's Republic of China is indeed capitalist, the gov't is still communist and communism still has a lot of power. The gov't is still very authoritarian and the Communist Party of China is guaranteed control of the gov't. They only use a capitalist market system because they know the communist economic system is highly insufficient.
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painted wolf
Grey Muzzle
Hardly an inspiring number and almost entirely due to one nation who is only communist in theory right now.
India threat from the Naxalites is more one of succession than take over.
Hugo is more of a boogy-man than a real threat IMHO.
The list is hardly inspiring in terms of threat. Most Maoist groups are dissatisfied ethnic groups that can be dealt with proactively by providing them some freedoms and autonomy.
The fact that capitalism as practiced in these countries fosters "Maoist" rebellion is symptomatic of the inherent flaws of the system.
People don't feel that Maoism is a good idea because they are happy, healthy and prosperous.
wa:do
Mathematician
Reason, and reason again
An addition: Cyprus elected a communist president.
Nepal actually has two seemingly democratic communist parties vying for power. The Maoists and the "Leninists."
painted wolf
Grey Muzzle
Vermont has had both communist and socialists elected to high office. Spooky spooky Vermont!
Ben and Jerry's will doom us all!
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Ben and Jerry's will doom us all!
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Shadow Wolf
Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
I dislike many aspects of it. The real issue of mega bucks meaning people can do essentially what ever they want, i.e. exploit workers, exploit tax loopholes, rent a lawmaker, call the shots, and soak up the vast majority of the wealth leaving very little for those of us who actually run and support society.
The misguided godhood of materialism is another. Big houses, big cars, big TVs, and all at the expense of the environment and health of society and workers. All just to make a buck.
Workplace laws, rather the lack of, is another big issue. No one should work over 40, 50, 60, 90+ hours a week and be living a range of poverty to just making it. A single parent should never be forced to choose from feeding the family or paying bills. Actually no should ever have to make that decision. The total lack of paid sick time off and no paid vacations is also terrible. But this is America, we got stuck with the belief that you have to work hard, long days, and work yourself to the bone to have any worth. Really I guess it isn't directly the fault of capitalism for labor laws, it is the lack of regulations on a Capitalist society that allows for a lack of labor laws to exist.
The rich exploiting the poor to make them more poor and earn millions by doing it. AIG, Goldman Sachs, and the rest of them, to hell with them. People threatened Senators over the healthcare bill, so where are the lynch mobs considering these people made millions of dollars because people where loosing their homes, jobs, savings, and retirement funds?
The misguided godhood of materialism is another. Big houses, big cars, big TVs, and all at the expense of the environment and health of society and workers. All just to make a buck.
Workplace laws, rather the lack of, is another big issue. No one should work over 40, 50, 60, 90+ hours a week and be living a range of poverty to just making it. A single parent should never be forced to choose from feeding the family or paying bills. Actually no should ever have to make that decision. The total lack of paid sick time off and no paid vacations is also terrible. But this is America, we got stuck with the belief that you have to work hard, long days, and work yourself to the bone to have any worth. Really I guess it isn't directly the fault of capitalism for labor laws, it is the lack of regulations on a Capitalist society that allows for a lack of labor laws to exist.
The rich exploiting the poor to make them more poor and earn millions by doing it. AIG, Goldman Sachs, and the rest of them, to hell with them. People threatened Senators over the healthcare bill, so where are the lynch mobs considering these people made millions of dollars because people where loosing their homes, jobs, savings, and retirement funds?
Ecclectic Seeker
New Member
How does a worker ever get exploited? If they agree to do a job for said amount of pay, they profit, they aren't exploited. If they did not find the job profitable, they would never agree to do that job! How then, if workers always profit, are they exploited?
Huh? What if I WANT to work more then 40 hours a week? All those laws do is prevent people who want to work more and get more money from actually doing so.
Here we see the an actual instance of exploitation. Corporations like AIG and Goldman Sachs get bailed out by the government with our money. And as for the healthcare bill, it will only help the insurance companies, the very same companies that literally helped write and lobbied for the bill. However, this is NOT Free Market, this is Corporatism, or the government interfering in the economy for the sake of Big Business. Free Marketers are OPPOSED to this.
Mathematician
Reason, and reason again
Having a choice does not imply one is free of exploitation. At this moment anyone living in Europe, the Americas, or most of East Asia has the right to leave their country behind; that doesn't mean gays living in the US "choose" to have the law discriminate against them simply by remaining a part of that organization.
From a Marxian perspective, workers are only free when they have a viable option to not work for someone else unless they want to.
I don't see how you connected Wolf's point about someone working more than 50 hours a week but still suffering from poverty to restrictions on how much one can work.
From a Marxian perspective, workers are only free when they have a viable option to not work for someone else unless they want to.
I don't see how you connected Wolf's point about someone working more than 50 hours a week but still suffering from poverty to restrictions on how much one can work.
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In capitalism, let's say you make X's. You are paid 8 dollars per hour.
8 hours times 8 dollars = 64 dollars for you. You made 24 X's today. Each X is sold for $50.
The company you work sells all the X's you made. The company gets $1200. You get $64. You don't get $1136 that you produced.
It's just not the basic wage slavery in capitalism, but it's murder by capitalists and imperalists that are even worse.
Here is a list my friend complied of Capitalism's victims, totaling about 1 billion killed.
Philippine Insurrection................220,000
Guatemala..................... ................300,000
Nanking Massacre...................... .300,000
Iraq Selling Poison to Saddam.300,000
Iraq (Desert Storm)......................500,000
Invasion of the Philippines.........650,000
Feudal Russia........................ ...1,066,000
US War Afghanistan................... .1,200,00
US War Iraq.......................... ......1,500,000
US Backed Khmer Rouge.......2,035,000
South African Apartheid............3,500,000
Nazi Holocaust..................... ...12,000,000
US on Latin America.................6,000, 000
Japanese Imperialism.............6,000, 000
Pol Pot (CIA Puppet).................7,100,000
Vietnam War........................... .10,000,000
Korean War........................... ...10,000,000
British Occupation of India....10,000,000
Dutch East Indies........................ ...25,000
US Revolutionary War....................35,000
Japan Occupation of East Timor.70,000
Japanese Bombing of China.......71,105
Second Boer War........................... 75,000
Japan Massacre of Singapore..100,000
Burma-Siam Railroad Cons.....116,000
Japan Germ Warfare in China..200,000
Shia Killed by Saddam...............300,000
US Bombing of Yugoslavia........300,000
US Bombing Iraq Water Supply.500,000
US Civil War........................... .......700,000
Iraq-Iran War........................... ...1,000,000
US imposed sanctions on Iraq.1,00,000
US Backed General Suharto...1,200,000
Irish Potato Famine..................1,500, 000
Japanese Democides.............5,964,00 0
Famine of 1932-33...................7,00 0,000
The Bengal Famine of 1943.10,000,000
Famine in Held British India.30,000,000
World War One........................16,500,000
World War Two........................60,000,000
Native American Genocide.. 95,000,000
African Slave Trade..............150,000,000
Indonesian Anti-Communist Purges
1965-1966.....................................500,000
Ciggarette Related Deaths Worldwide
(1960 - 2010)........................200,000,000
Children Killed by Preventable Diseases Since 9/11: 208,000,000
Children Killed by Hunger Since 9/11: 235,000,000
Children Killed by Hunger during the 1990s: 100,000,000
And capitalists claim communism has killed 100 million, when their own ideology kills that amount with a decade.
8 hours times 8 dollars = 64 dollars for you. You made 24 X's today. Each X is sold for $50.
The company you work sells all the X's you made. The company gets $1200. You get $64. You don't get $1136 that you produced.
It's just not the basic wage slavery in capitalism, but it's murder by capitalists and imperalists that are even worse.
Here is a list my friend complied of Capitalism's victims, totaling about 1 billion killed.
Philippine Insurrection................220,000
Guatemala..................... ................300,000
Nanking Massacre...................... .300,000
Iraq Selling Poison to Saddam.300,000
Iraq (Desert Storm)......................500,000
Invasion of the Philippines.........650,000
Feudal Russia........................ ...1,066,000
US War Afghanistan................... .1,200,00
US War Iraq.......................... ......1,500,000
US Backed Khmer Rouge.......2,035,000
South African Apartheid............3,500,000
Nazi Holocaust..................... ...12,000,000
US on Latin America.................6,000, 000
Japanese Imperialism.............6,000, 000
Pol Pot (CIA Puppet).................7,100,000
Vietnam War........................... .10,000,000
Korean War........................... ...10,000,000
British Occupation of India....10,000,000
Dutch East Indies........................ ...25,000
US Revolutionary War....................35,000
Japan Occupation of East Timor.70,000
Japanese Bombing of China.......71,105
Second Boer War........................... 75,000
Japan Massacre of Singapore..100,000
Burma-Siam Railroad Cons.....116,000
Japan Germ Warfare in China..200,000
Shia Killed by Saddam...............300,000
US Bombing of Yugoslavia........300,000
US Bombing Iraq Water Supply.500,000
US Civil War........................... .......700,000
Iraq-Iran War........................... ...1,000,000
US imposed sanctions on Iraq.1,00,000
US Backed General Suharto...1,200,000
Irish Potato Famine..................1,500, 000
Japanese Democides.............5,964,00 0
Famine of 1932-33...................7,00 0,000
The Bengal Famine of 1943.10,000,000
Famine in Held British India.30,000,000
World War One........................16,500,000
World War Two........................60,000,000
Native American Genocide.. 95,000,000
African Slave Trade..............150,000,000
Indonesian Anti-Communist Purges
1965-1966.....................................500,000
Ciggarette Related Deaths Worldwide
(1960 - 2010)........................200,000,000
Children Killed by Preventable Diseases Since 9/11: 208,000,000
Children Killed by Hunger Since 9/11: 235,000,000
Children Killed by Hunger during the 1990s: 100,000,000
And capitalists claim communism has killed 100 million, when their own ideology kills that amount with a decade.
If capitalism is so bad, why don't socialists get together on a large scale & form a community structured on socialist principles?
That would be permissible in the US. I imagine a more sophisticated & larger version of a commune.
That would be permissible in the US. I imagine a more sophisticated & larger version of a commune.
painted wolf
Grey Muzzle
Because socialists are like Libertarians... they work best in small groups.
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