What do you feel is wrong with atheism?

[The Voice of Reason]

All truth is absolute, relatively speaking.

Now that's funny.

 

[Magic Man]

This thread is about what's wrong with atheism and I provided a list. Everything I said about atheism is true of agnosticism, save for one thing: agnosticism is cowardly.

I just wanted to throw this out there one more time. You threw it in after I first quoted this post. I think you've pretty much made your case, assuming your case is that some theists are hypocritical and deny, ridicule and destroy. Well done.

 

[The Voice of Reason]

I just wanted to throw this out there one more time. You threw it in after I first quoted this post. I think you've pretty much made your case, assuming your case is that some theists are hypocritical and deny, ridicule and destroy. Well done.

Stoner -

Perhaps you can explain to Mball and myself how we are missing the point, and that you are not ridiculing atheists and agnostics. Surely we are the ones at fault here - help us understand how we have lured you into such a failing.

 

[fantome profane]

Except, of course, I suppose, for the agnostic theist.

And except of course for the agnostic atheists.

But we must be careful, If we keep adding variables into this black and white scenario people might wake up to the fact that there are not only shades of grey, but an infinite spectrum of colour.

 

[robtex]

Gadfly and Rolling Stone, I notice you are quoting your thoughts I think the authors you may be looking for are Leo Strauss and Ray Comfort seem to be close in thought as you.

Stevenw you might find relevance in Leo Strauss and Joesph Campbell.

For Gfly and RStone I suppose you can quote your conversations with God or articulate your personal revelations with God but realize that non-theists won't find merit in it and finding authors who are similar to your stance might be a better angle your position.


As a footnote on the logic argument here is a pretty comprehensive list of logical fallacies
Fallacies

 

[DallasApple]

And except of course for the agnostic atheists.

But we must be careful, If we keep adding variables into this black and white scenario people might wake up to the fact that there are not only shades of grey, but an infinite spectrum of colour.

Thats funny you say this..I say nothing is "cookie cutter" in life..At least not in mine..I dont live in a box..and I dont ever want to..

Love

Dallas

Quote Harry Chapin....

"There are so many colors in a rainbow..so many colors in the morning sun..so many colors in a flower ..and I see every one..."


That was from a song he wrote..those words were being said by a little boy in school who wanted to paint his flowers using all the differnent colors..But the teacher told him .....repeat after me..

"Flowers are red...and green leaves are green...there is no need to see them any other way...than the way they always have been seen....."


Then she stuck him in the corner untill he got so lonely he approached her..and said to her in a little sad voice....

"Flowers are red...and green leaves are green...there is no need to see them any other way than the way they always have been seen...."

 

[The Voice of Reason]

And except of course for the agnostic atheists.

But we must be careful, If we keep adding variables into this black and white scenario people might wake up to the fact that there are not only shades of grey, but an infinite spectrum of colour.

Well said, Profane. Of course, this poses great problems for those that wish to paint with a broad brush, but somehow, I doubt that it will stop them from simply slinging the bucket at the wall ...

 

[McBell]

I doubt that it will stop them from simply slinging the bucket at the wall ...

I have to agree.
They let nothing get in the way of their beliefs.
Not hail, nor rain, nor snow, nor sleet, nor truth, nor facts....

 

[DallasApple]

Well said, Profane. Of course, this poses great problems for those that wish to paint with a broad brush, but somehow, I doubt that it will stop them from simply slinging the bucket at the wall ...

But I think the painting with a broad brush is actually not using all the colors..In fact its narrowing everything down..lumping and grouping and assuming ...blindly..ignoring the "spectrum"...

Love

Dallas

 

[robtex]

I am not reading much of "what is wrong with atheism" so I guess I can post stuff i have heard before to be chewed on for discussion

1) p1 God is love
p2 Atheist don't believe in God
c1 therefore atheists don't believe in love.

2) Atheists life will either be a finite experience or one with eternal damnation at the conclusion of their biological life

3) Atheists mock God by ignoring the obvious signs that he exists.

4) Atheists put all their eggs in one basket by using evidence as the highest (or only) protocol for ascertaining their reality and in the same light diminish assessing their reality through faith.

5) Atheist inability to understand that they receive divine message or inability to receive them showed a diminished capacity to exist as a complete human being and may mark a diminished aspect of "divine intelligence" .

Do any of the theist see validity in those arguments and if so can you substantiate them for us?

 

[DallasApple]

1) p1 God is love
p2 Atheist don't believe in God
c1 therefore atheists don't believe in love.

Someone actually said that..?

Love

Dallas

 

[DallasApple]

2) Atheists life will either be a finite experience or one with eternal damnation at the conclusion of their biological life

This one doesnt surprise me all that much...

Love

Dallas

 

[UnTheist]

Well, we all know love is held by the individual, so that's not a problem

 

[DallasApple]

[QUOTE3) Atheists mock God by ignoring the obvious signs that he exists.][/QUOTE]

But its not obvious to them..the ones I've met and loved..its more obvious to them that there arent any signs...

Love

Dallas

 

[robtex]

Someone actually said that..?

Love

Dallas

Very common argument. Probably find some good threads on that here with the search feature. But working the equation backwards, for the purpose of introspection you are a Christian and not an atheist for a list of reasons.

If you feel it is reasonable for me to say that atheists reject those reasons (whatever they may be) than your answer to this thread could be "what is wrong is atheist is their lack of understanding {fill in blank with what drives you passion for Christianity** .

At the most basic level the primers which drive your faith, if they are missing from atheists in terms of apathy, relevance or validity to the atheist could be restructured as to why you are any other theists find as possible faults for atheism as well as what impedes you from recessing to a position of atheism.

 

[DallasApple]

5) Atheist inability to understand that they receive divine message or inability to receive them showed a diminished capacity to exist as a complete human being and may mark a diminished aspect of "divine intelligence" .

My brother told me he "wished" he had recieved a divine message..I do think though even for theist if we are not open to it or looking for it we dont see it all the time either.(un-receptive)..

And whats "divine intelligence"?

Love

Dallas

 

[Willamena]

4) Atheists put all their eggs in one basket by using evidence as the highest (or only) protocol for ascertaining their reality and in the same light diminish assessing their reality through faith.

The ironic thing about this statement is that "assessing" or "ascertaining" (synonymous in this instance) reality through scientific "evidence" and "faith" are made a false dichotomy: they are the same. Both the words "evidence" and "faith" express the idea of pointers, pointing to something else.

 

[robtex]

[QUOTE3) Atheists mock God by ignoring the obvious signs that he exists.]

But its not obvious to them..the ones I've met and loved..its more obvious to them that there arent any signs...

Love

Dallas[/quote]
but surely you point those signs out to them only to have have refuse to assign validity to them. Surely that can be seen as mocking God right?

 

[robtex]

The ironic thing about this statement is that "assessing" or "ascertaining" (synonymous in this instance) reality through scientific "evidence" and "faith" are made a false dichotomy: they are the same. Both the words "evidence" and "faith" express the idea of pointers, pointing to something else.

I noticed the thread was moving rapidly away from the OP so I figured I could feed some ideas to put it back on track.

Having said that you are not an atheist, which is to say you reject atheism as a personal choice for but instead embrace spirituality based on primers that lead you to believe there is "something more" though you seem reserved to define it on RF.

Is is possible for you to list some of those primers and once listed do you feel you could use them as qualifiers as short-comings of atheism ?

 

[DallasApple]

) Atheists put all their eggs in one basket by using evidence as the highest (or only) protocol for ascertaining their reality and in the same light diminish assessing their reality through faith.

This is true..Athiest from what I've seen want proof..And untill they see it they arent buying it..and they arent afraid to say it..They arent going with the "because God said" or "we are not supposed to understand" theory..Thats hard for anyone to swallow including myself I will admit..

Love

Dallas