What do you hate about Christ (Christianity)?

[Catholicus]

But since God is the creator of everything, God is responsible for Satan or God is not responsible nor the creator of everything.

God created Lucifer.

Lucifer chose to become evil - and is now called Satan.

 

[Catholicus]

Yet you use words full of meaning to express that, so you contradicted yourself.

No - I was attacking your belief that the word "exists" has no meaning.

 

[Catholicus]

And he created that, thus he is responsible. Humans can't have free will without God, because if free will is not from God, then God didn't create everything and thus God is not God.

That God created our free will - our liberty - doesn't mean that He is responsible for our misuse of it.

 

[leov]

Maybe they have its demi nature, and just blindly do all of its dirty work for it.

Most of them. Demiurge is not evil just blind. It leads consciousness development between Cain and Christ. After Christ it may become harmful as people think he is true God.

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

That God created our free will - our liberty - doesn't mean that He is responsible for our misuse of it.

You have a good life as you.

Peace

 

[Erebus]

Yes, but only by destroying the liberty of His rational creations, angels and human beings.

Hell began when Lucifer and his angels launched a failed coup d'etat against God (who is Goodness) and became eternally evil in consequence.

God didn't want them to become evil.

That's not an issue for an omnipotent God. He could simultaneously have free will and the absence of evil.

That sounds impossible but omnipotence by definition means that God would be able to achieve it anyway. It's like the old thought experiment, "Could an omnipotent God create a weight too heavy for him to lift, then proceed to lift it?" The answer has to be yes because otherwise God would not be omnipotent in the first place. There is no such thing as impossibility to such a deity.

Look, for what it's worth it is possible to believe in both God and Hell without contradiction. You just remove one or more attributes from your conception of God. To give a few examples of how this could work:

- God is not omnipotent. This means that Hell can exist simultaneously with a merciful deity as it's possible that said deity is simply powerless to be rid of Hell.

- God is not omniscient. This means that God may be merciful and have the power to unmake Hell but isn't aware of its existence. This one's trickier to work with if you also maintain that god is omnipotent as he could then choose to make himself omniscient also.

- God is not merciful. It's possible that the omniscient, omnipotent creator of the universe is also a sadist. I would think this is the ultimate nightmare scenario but it isn't inherently contradictory.

 

[ChristineM]

All political and religious groups believe their way is the best.

All parents instruct their children - and have a duty to do so.

Christianity invented modern science - the Scientific Revolution of the 17th century was led by Christians and could have arisen only in a Christian civilisation.

Does that mean it must be forced upon others?

There is a difference between instruction and indoctrination.

It can be argued that Galileo was the inventor of modern science, ask him why he was put under house arrest by the church

Before him it was down to greek scientists who laid the foundations long before christianity was a twinkle in Panteras' eye. Followed by muslim muslim scientists while europe was still in a dark age of religious authority.

Then came the renaissance and there were several other Europeans after Galileo who contributed,. In a time where the vast majority of europe was christian by default it is fortunate that a few of them sought to put scientific progress before their religion

 

[Road Less Traveled]

The universe was created good - but Satan and His angels poisoned it.

The world was good until human sin (egged on by Satan) darkened it.

It would be funny if it were the opposite, and you were worshipping and praising the bad one and being condescending towards the good.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Because God doesn't have a cause.

God is the starting point and the Uncreated.

But if everything has a cause, then logically god too must have a cause as there is no real reason to assume a creator of this universe is as "big as it gets."

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Christianity can only be understood with the help of the Church's teachings and under the inspiration of God's Holy Spirit.

You don't have to be a Christian to understand it. It lends no esoteric knowledge or occult secrets to understanding the Bible just because you are Christian. And, also, I was Christian, so there is that to shoot down your silly "you can't understand because your not Christian" nonsense.

The Bible also says (1 John): "God is Kindness."

Kindness isn't drowning 99% of all living things because maybe at most 1% were being bad.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

It would be funny if it were the opposite, and you were worshipping and praising the bad one and being condescending towards the good.

When we look strictly at actions and not what who said about another, its pretty much impossible to make the case that Satan is supposed to be the evil one.

 

[Sand Dancer]

But only One that actually exists.

 

[Sand Dancer]

There is a veil between us and the spiritual realm.

It is there for our own protection.

Where are all these Non-Christians living beautiful and happy lives ?

They don't exist.

Get out of your little box.

 

[Sand Dancer]

God created Lucifer.

Lucifer chose to become evil - and is now called Satan.

That is not biblical.

 

[Brickjectivity]

God created Lucifer.

Lucifer chose to become evil - and is now called Satan.

Such a doctrine caused ongoing and irreparable damage to my family though it is not catholic. I can't see that teaching as anything but a vicious swipe. It should be repudiated forthwith, but I know it won't. Satan this, Satan that Satan, Satan etc. Its especially bad for bipolars and schizos, and its blatantly not helping either the RC or anyone else nor incorporates truths from the world. Its instead just a device for scaring people. It doesn't explain any principle in the universe that can be found or detected. It also doesn't explain the presence of evil nor ways of combating it.

 

[Twilight Hue]

I'm sorry that you lost your faith.

But the Christian Faith is true nonetheless.

That's ok. I'm not sorry whatsoever as it's an immensely good feeling not to have to pretend anymore. In fact it was more like a refreshing breath of fresh air, liberating for me because I decided to go with what's actually there instead of what's bouncing around in my mind wishing something was there.

As far as being true, it would have to be as clear as the sun in the sky , and the rain on your skin. Those things don't require convincing. Unfortunately Christians are forever trying to convince people , which is very telling that what you're trying to convince people of , isn't really there.

But if it's true in somebody's mind, I can't argue that somebody's convinced themselves of something nobody else acknowledges.

 

[viole]

Yes. Except for the wilfully-blind.

Yes, what? Is that evidence of your God, or of any God?

Ciao

- viole

 

[Diamond]

There is a veil between us and the spiritual realm.

It is there for our own protection.

Where are all these Non-Christians living beautiful and happy lives ?

They don't exist.

Well I feel so sorry for you buddy, cause you are oblivious to the fact, but so many Christians are the same way, I know plenty of people who believe like me, and they too are full of peace,joy,happiness,loving,and yes we have problems like anyone else, but because of our spiritual knowledge we don't allow it to disrupt our Joy, we face it and solve it and thank the creater for giving me patience and understanding. Leaving religion and seek my spirituality is the best move I have ever made. I wish you could feel the goodness also.

 

[Zita]

By Christian teaching, God is infinitely kind and merciful.

If it was up to God, everyone would go to Heaven.

Unfortunately it's up to us as human beings - and some people choose evil and thus don't make it to Heaven.

I noticed you said by Christian teaching, God is infinitely kind and merciful, Now ,I agree that The Creator I serve (God) is infinitely kind and merciful,however I don't believe in the bible version of God,The angry ,jealous,selfish,judgemental,plague sending,dominating,closed minded,damning people to hell cause they made mistakes;God of Christians and scriptures!! so you don't believe in the bible version of God either?

 

[Zita]

What I wrote still applies even if God doesn't actively send people there. The existence of Hell depends upon God not only to create it but also to allow its continued existence. Even if you argue that humans themselves created Hell, there's nothing that an omnipotent god couldn't unmake if he so desired.

Actually according to the scriptures God made several declarations that if a person has committed certain sins they will be punished by the eternity in the fiery pit
Matthew
“Then he will say to those on his left, e‘Depart from me, you cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels.but I totally agree with you.