What do you think about pain?

[DarkSun]

Read it again, it never says the Person is weak. Just that Pain is weakness leaving the body. So when you push yourself you get stronger. Nor does it imply that they someone is causing it is weak, but you say Whatever or whoever. So what if you are pushing yourself to your limits and that is causing pain, then by what you say you are weak for causing the pain by pushing yourself.

Forcing your body to experience pain is not the only way through which you can become mentally stronger.A lot of people can also learn from intuition rather than experience alone. As for becoming physically stronger... Well, I hardly see the point in becoming any stronger than "healthy" in today's world.

Maybe weak isn't the right word in that regard. Perhaps "masochistic" would be a better, but that doesn't fit either because of all of the negative connotations.

Asceticism? No. That has religious connotations, which don't necessarily apply.

Suffice to say, the reasoning of any sane person who willingly causes themselves pain by pushing their body to its limits is obviously beyond me. It's not healthy. It's silly, for lack of a better word. And there are alternatives.

 

[zenzero]

Friends,

PAIN is there across that line which one's body cannot take.
It all depends on our exercise or testing those limits.
e.g. few people can twist [hath yogas] their bodies with ease in manners which are painful to others.
PAIN is a physical aspect meaning that it has more to do with the body though the MIND is also a factor.
SUFFERING is the same aspect but to do with the MIND.
Again it all depends from individual to individual's training of the MIND; some suffer more some less for a similar act.
However these are all part of dualities.
If there is PAIN there is PLEASURE, and for Suffering there is HAPPINESS.
Buddhas realise something which is beyond these dualities and so they are buddhas.
One may keep talking about pain, pleasure, sufferings and happiness for lives on end but will never reach the end of the tunnel.
These aspects of dualities are all HERE and will always remain depending on the individual mind and its training BUT one still remains in the realm of the mind.
Buddhas are not different than you and me except that they realised that these are dualities and that we feel them only because our mind is attached with them and only by non-attachment can one be free from them.
One therefore meditates and what is that meditation? it is to watch the mind and slowly by observing the thoughts going through the mind one can observe where and how the mind gets attached and so knows the root of those dualities.
This bringing of light to the darkness is enlightenment.
Love & rgds

 

[Azakel]

Forcing your body to experience pain is not the only way through which you can become mentally stronger.A lot of people can also learn from intuition rather than experience alone. As for becoming physically stronger... Well, I hardly see the point in becoming any stronger than "healthy" in today's world.

Well who said it was just for Mental reasons? And just because you don't see any reason for pushing yourself to a breaking point doesn't mean other people don't and don't mean there isn't a reason.

Maybe weak isn't the right word in that regard. Perhaps "masochistic" would be a better, but that doesn't fit either because of all of the negative connotations.

Maybe no word fits it.

Asceticism? No. That has religious connotations, which don't necessarily apply.

But ca if the person that's doing it that way feels so.

Suffice to say, the reasoning of any sane person who willingly causes themselves pain by pushing their body to its limits is obviously beyond me. It's not healthy. It's silly, for lack of a better word. And there are alternatives.

Yeah it is beyond you. And how is it not health? There are many different ways for one to push themselves to there limits, I do it every time during my work out and Martial Art training.
Thing is there are many different ways to look at this and go about it. Just because you don't understand it doesn't mean it bad. Though by the way it seem you would call people who push themselves Insane.

 

[MoonWater]

I did not mean to insinuate that those who give into pain are weak or that they are to blame. I only meant exactly what I said, that dealing with pain can make one stronger. If you don't feel sore after an exercise routine then you haven't exercised your body enough. But notice how I also included "discomfort" in my post which would include doing things that stretch your comfort zone or doing things that you might be afraid to do. this also makes you stronger. It doesn't necessarily have to be pain in the physical sense but also pain or discomfort in the emotional and mental sense. And there is still a limit there as if you push yourself too far you'll just end up killing yourself.

 

[DallasApple]

One thing I will tell you now..about pain.

Right now Im a wimp.Because the pain in by back is causing me to produce much extra saliva in my mouth.Im in fact having to swalow way more often from the pain.

Yet I can rationalize.The stabbing sharp pains that are making me drool and loosing some feeling in my left hand is a "crick".Its a seized up muscle that is causing the other muscles around to sieze up too.The lightening stikes in my neck..well..actually the pins and needles sticking in my neck area are "4th of July" compared to the left shoulder blade.

And this has been going on for about 2 weeks.So ON top of the hot stabbing poker hot jabs it feels like the hot searing sword of pain is poking at a bruise.So let me get this straight.the HOT searing poker is stabbing in a bruise in my back.But the bruise is from that poker doing that to me for two weeks now.

And also it Hurts worse when I breath.I tried the tiger balm..that helped for about 35 seconds.

Now Im going to take a pain killer.Which I NEVER resort to.(rarely)..I have taken one ibuprophen in the past year and i/2..But for this because on top of it feels like an invisible person is stabbing me in the back on a bloody pulp Im taking a prescription.

So if I stay online in about 30 minutes Im going to sound more like a nut.And GREAT my MIL is coming into town.I mean she is coming over for dinner.

Pain sucks the ..well you know.

Love

Dallas

 

[scientologypittsburgh]

My thoughts:
I think pain is a feeling one gets as a warning when he is engaged in contra-survival actions (at least according to your body) on the part of the individual or body. And just to clarify that does not mean that the action or thing you are going is always bad or is in reality contra-survival - it's just that it could be perceived to be by the body and thus it warns you there is a potential for the demise of the body or individual.

 

[DarkSun]

Well who said it was just for Mental reasons? And just because you don't see any reason for pushing yourself to a breaking point doesn't mean other people don't and don't mean there isn't a reason.


Maybe no word fits it.


But ca if the person that's doing it that way feels so.


Yeah it is beyond you. And how is it not health? There are many different ways for one to push themselves to there limits, I do it every time during my work out and Martial Art training.
Thing is there are many different ways to look at this and go about it. Just because you don't understand it doesn't mean it bad. Though by the way it seem you would call people who push themselves Insane.

I don't think "insane" is the right word either, but causing yourself harm to improve yourself doesn't sound very logical to me. But perhaps you're right. Maybe that's just me.

 

[DarkSun]

My thoughts:
I think pain is a feeling one gets as a warning when he is engaged in contra-survival actions (at least according to your body) on the part of the individual or body. And just to clarify that does not mean that the action or thing you are going is always bad or is in reality contra-survival - it's just that it could be perceived to be by the body and thus it warns you there is a potential for the demise of the body or individual.

That, I can agree with. :yes:

 

[MoonWater]

I don't think "insane" is the right word either, but causing yourself harm to improve yourself doesn't sound very logical to me.

Right now Im a wimp.Because the pain...*snip*

oh for goodness sake did you two miss the post where I clarified the quote I gave? I am not saying that those who give in to pain are weak nor am I saying that one should cause themselves pain in order to become stronger(though this is necessary to a point in order to become physically stronger). All I'm saying is that pain can be used as an opportunity to strengthen yourself. But you don't want to over do it. If you are experiencing debilitating pain I do not see anything weak or wimpy about taking medication to help you deal with it same as there is nothing weak or wimpy about letting someone help you up after having fallen down. Indeed being able to admit that you need medication for something can be a strength in and of itself, if you actually in fact need it.

 

[DallasApple]

oh for goodness sake did you two miss the post where I clarified the quote I gave? I am not saying that those who give in to pain are weak nor am I saying that one should cause themselves pain in order to become stronger(though this is necessary to a point in order to become physically stronger). All I'm saying is that pain can be used as an opportunity to strengthen yourself. But you don't want to over do it. If you are experiencing debilitating pain I do not see anything weak or wimpy about taking medication to help you deal with it same as there is nothing weak or wimpy about letting someone help you up after having fallen down. Indeed being able to admit that you need medication for something can be a strength in and of itself, if you actually in fact need it.

YES I saw it..It wasnt meant towards you..I've always been told to sort of "suck it up".

I just feel weak when I have to take somethign for pain.By the way ..I took LOTS of pan killers last night and the pain did not subside..Ironicaly my mother gave me muscle relaxants..(the pain Im talking about is if you breath it hurts and not moving at all brings it from a level 10 pain to 8)..

If this doesnt go away I will go to the doctor..

Yes this will make me stronger..Becuase I will APPRECIATE once its gone..and I will have empathy more so than ever before towards somes who is trying to take short breaths because it hurts to bad to breath from some screwed up muscle in the back.

Anyway...I hear you Im not meaning you..Its my mother..She competes over who has "real pain".

Love

Dallas

 

[MoonWater]

YES I saw it..It wasnt meant towards you..I've always been told to sort of "suck it up".

I just feel weak when I have to take somethign for pain.By the way ..I took LOTS of pan killers last night and the pain did not subside..Ironicaly my mother gave me muscle relaxants..(the pain Im talking about is if you breath it hurts and not moving at all brings it from a level 10 pain to 8)..

If this doesnt go away I will go to the doctor..

Yes this will make me stronger..Becuase I will APPRECIATE once its gone..and I will have empathy more so than ever before towards somes who is trying to take short breaths because it hurts to bad to breath from some screwed up muscle in the back.

Anyway...I hear you Im not meaning you..Its my mother..She competes over who has "real pain".

Love

Dallas

my apologies Dallas, I thought it was directed towards my post considering how a few other people reacted to it, my mistake. I'm sorry to hear about your pain, considering it's in your back it's probably a good thing I can only give you virtual hugs:hug:. I hope things get better for you.

 

[DallasApple]

my apologies Dallas, I thought it was directed towards my post considering how a few other people reacted to it, my mistake. I'm sorry to hear about your pain, considering it's in your back it's probably a good thing I can only give you virtual hugs:hug:. I hope things get better for you.

I probably was defensive over something you said but its not your fault because when I read it I was in pain but its really not about you at all.I didnt mean to hurt your feelings and Im sorry ..you didnt say or do anything wrong at all.

I took many many pain killers(they dont work) and some skelaxin and some other anti inflmaotory drug and now my whole left side of my body doesnt feel like an electrocuted rock.Im a wee bit better..

I thought I was dying and I have had natural birth pain..BAD BAD,...Bad painful stuff..and I did pretty good except I was snappy and mean.Its not over yet because it still hurts but nothing like the past two days.

Its a lot better and again Im sorry I was snappy at you.And thank you for the hug that didnt hurt at all.

Love

Dallas

 

[Quagmire]

Dad: "This is going to hurt me more than it's going to hurt you"

Me: "Then how about giving us both a break and DON'T DO IT"!

That never worked.

 

[DallasApple]

Dad: "This is going to hurt me more than it's going to hurt you"

Me: "Then how about giving us both a break and DON'T DO IT"!

That never worked.

LOL!! You said that?!!!

They used to tell us to go out and "pick our switches"...they used to pick thin branches off of what I know as "hickory" and beat the "living daylights' out of us.

I fought it too.

Love

Dallas

 

[idea]

no pain no gain...
whatever doesn't kill you can only make you stronger...

those are not true in all circumstances, but they are true in some... My dh has really bad migranes, one every week. I am nost sure what gain/strength can come of those... keeps him humble I guess.... I can think of a lot of better ways to become stronger than going through pain.

Pain does give us an appreciation of things... ex: drinking water while sitting on the couch watching movies, vs. water after running race in the desert/being dehydrated.... you appreciate things more after you realize what it is like on the other side of the fence... I don't know that you could gain that deep appreciation of things without the pain.

 

[idea]

...they used to pick thin branches

if you get to pick your own switches, pick the thicker ones. The thin ones travel faster, and cut deeper :sad4:

 

[Phasmid]

What do you think about pain?

Not a fan of it.

I suppose it's like most things - good in moderation.

Too much and it'll damage you (mentally, physically, or both).

Too little and you'll be weak.

 

[MoonWater]

I probably was defensive over something you said but its not your fault because when I read it I was in pain but its really not about you at all.I didnt mean to hurt your feelings and Im sorry ..you didnt say or do anything wrong at all.

I took many many pain killers(they dont work) and some skelaxin and some other anti inflmaotory drug and now my whole left side of my body doesnt feel like an electrocuted rock.Im a wee bit better..

I thought I was dying and I have had natural birth pain..BAD BAD,...Bad painful stuff..and I did pretty good except I was snappy and mean.Its not over yet because it still hurts but nothing like the past two days.

Its a lot better and again Im sorry I was snappy at you.And thank you for the hug that didnt hurt at all.

Love

Dallas

No worries, You didn't hurt my feelings. I'm glad things are at least a little bit better. You know there may be other alternatives like acupuncture or meditation or other things that might help with the pain if the pin killers aren't doing it for you.

 

[DarkSun]

Dad: "This is going to hurt me more than it's going to hurt you"

Me: "Then how about giving us both a break and DON'T DO IT"!

That never worked.

LOL!! You said that?!!!

They used to tell us to go out and "pick our switches"...they used to pick thin branches off of what I know as "hickory" and beat the "living daylights' out of us.

I fought it too.

Love

Dallas

You know... I think most courts might class beating the living daylights out of children as a form of abuse...

 

[DallasApple]

You know... I think most courts might class beating the living daylights out of children as a form of abuse...

Well back then you didnt "reason or negotiate" with children.Not for very long anyway.They also "beat the fire out of us" too.

Its sort of like breaking a horse is what Im thinking.

My mother used the fly swattter a lot.She denies the belt or the back of a brush..She would grab us by one arm and hold us and "hit" us with whatever object she could grab.They called it "spankings".My mother one time really got mad and started trying to "spank us" with hot wheel tracks.And she slung record albums at our head like a Ninja shooting off those pointed stars.She just didnt know any better.

Then we were also told to never hit anyone.That it was "wrong".I think they were a bunch of idiots.

Oh well glad times have changed and its considered abuse.

Love

Dallas