What do YOU think?

[RJ50]

In 2000 years time, if Christianity is still practiced, some will still be awaiting the second coming!

 

[allright]

This is fine and dandy to quote bible scriptures. But when will the God wisdom come to you to raise the dead, heal all disease? Don't you think that after 2 or 3000 yrs that the wisdom of the bible God would appear today?

Jesus couldnt return until Israel became a nation again (1948) and Jerusalem came under Jewish control again (1968).

2000 years is nothing to an eternal being.

 

[RJ50]

Jesus couldnt return until Israel became a nation again (1948) and Jerusalem came under Jewish control again (1968).

2000 years is nothing to an eternal being.

So what is stopping him popping in again now then?

 

[allright]

So what is stopping him popping in again now then?

The final prophecies are playing out now. I would suspect this age has less than 50 years left

 

[RJ50]

The final prophecies are playing out now. I would suspect this age has less than 50 years left

They have been playing out the final 'prophecies' for 2000 years, still no show. Even that guy Jesus thought it would happen in the lifetime of his disciples!

 

[rusra02]

Inspired from another thread ...
How come people are so hesitant to think for themselves? I so often see scripture being quoted instead of people saying what they think. Is it because they don't know what they think, or is it because the scripture tells them not to think?

Here's some examples.

"Well, let's see. The Bible says _______________."
"Let me refer to the Koran."
"Our scriptures say _______."
"Let me quote Bahai scriptures on this."

I understand how you can use scripture as support for you line of thinking, but to just automatically go to that? Is there no original thought left.

So what's the reason? Scripture is the crutch? Too lazy? Too unintelligent?

There are a ton of important things that scripture doesn't help you with.

Perhaps you are reading the wrong scripture? Since the Bible claims to be God's Word, and I believe that it is, I can only benefit myself by listening to God speak through his Word. I find the Bible helps me with ALL important things. (2 Timothy 3:16,17) Since all humans are limited in knowledge, and imperfect, and live just a few decades, why do you suppose we should rely on our own thinking? Jehovah, the true God, has been in existence for untold eons of time, and is, I believe, the grand Creator of all things. I much prefer to look to Him rather than my own thoughts. As Isaiah 55:9 states: "For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so my ways are higher than your ways, and my thoughts than your thoughts."

 

[Pegg]

Inspired from another thread ...
How come people are so hesitant to think for themselves? I so often see scripture being quoted instead of people saying what they think. Is it because they don't know what they think, or is it because the scripture tells them not to think?

Here's some examples.

"Well, let's see. The Bible says _______________."
"Let me refer to the Koran."
"Our scriptures say _______."
"Let me quote Bahai scriptures on this."

I understand how you can use scripture as support for you line of thinking, but to just automatically go to that? Is there no original thought left.

So what's the reason? Scripture is the crutch? Too lazy? Too unintelligent?

There are a ton of important things that scripture doesn't help you with.

we are not born with knowledge... children are empty baskets hence why they ask so many questions.

There is no 'original' thought because we all learn what we know from someone else. IOW no one is born with knowledge and therefore no one has original thought.

 

[Vinayaka]

Perhaps you are reading the wrong scripture?

I'm not a Christian, so yes, according to you, I would be reading the wrong scripture. That's what you should believe.

But what do you yourself, outside of the scripture, think? You really think I'm going to hell for eternity?

On another thread, someone asked about what various religions said about the human atrocity called rape. A wise responder said he didn't need religion or a religious scripture to figure that one out. Common sense was good enough.

 

[Breathe]

Jesus couldnt return until Israel became a nation again (1948) and Jerusalem came under Jewish control again (1968).

2000 years is nothing to an eternal being.

So you believe God can be subverted?

To avoid the second coming, simply hand control of Jerusalem to non-Jewish folks.
That would be a mercy.

 

[allright]

So you believe God can be subverted?

To avoid the second coming, simply hand control of Jerusalem to non-Jewish folks.
That would be a mercy.

The Zionist movement started for Jews to returnn to Isreal. Suddenly Hilter appears and tries to exterminate the Jewish people.
Then when the Jewish people are at their weakest Israel becomes a nation again
Zecharaiah 12 to 14 describes the final attempt by the nations to take back Jerusalem and they are succeeding until Jesus returns and destroys them. Zecharaiah 14:3-5

 

[RJ50]

It was absolutely CRAZY to permit the state of Israel to be formed without a state for the Palestinians too! It is even crazier to think the Jews have some special relationship with the deity if it exists. I have nothing against the Jews as a race, but they are nothing special, just the same as the rest of us.

 

[allright]

It was absolutely CRAZY to permit the state of Israel to be formed without a state for the Palestinians too! It is even crazier to think the Jews have some special relationship with the deity if it exists. I have nothing against the Jews as a race, but they are nothing special, just the same as the rest of us.

Not according to God "He who touchs you (Israel) touchs the apple of my eye"

 

[Call_of_the_Wild]

Inspired from another thread ...
How come people are so hesitant to think for themselves?

Are they?

I so often see scripture being quoted instead of people saying what they think. Is it because they don't know what they think, or is it because the scripture tells them not to think?

Depends on the situation. When someone quotes a scripture, especially in reference to a moral issue, they are implying "You told me what you think, I told you what I think, but here is what the ALMIGHTY thinks". Big distinction there.

Here's some examples.

"Well, let's see. The Bible says _______________."
"Let me refer to the Koran."
"Our scriptures say _______."
"Let me quote Bahai scriptures on this."

Right, and typically these are all in reference to a moral issue or dilema.

I understand how you can use scripture as support for you line of thinking, but to just automatically go to that? Is there no original thought left.

Of course, because man's thinking can be flawed. God's thinking is flawLESS.

So what's the reason? Scripture is the crutch? Too lazy? Too unintelligent?

The scriptures is our "go to" guide. When in doubt, go to scriptures.

There are a ton of important things that scripture doesn't help you with.

There are also a ton of things that science books don't help us with either. Questions of morals and ethics...questions of purpose and destiny, there is no science book that can answer these important questions. Religious books attempts to do so and as a believing Christian, the scriptures are a good resource to answer these questions.

 

[RJ50]

Proverbs 28:26 RSV

"He who trusts in his own mind is a fool"

He who trusts the 'mind' of the deity is even more foolish!

 

[Sha'irullah]

"Scriptures and holy books most often are written in ages of darkness and ignorance and assign much more to their nature then their worth. Hindus have separated theology from politics a long time ago while Abrahamics mesh the two hand in hand. Buddhists separate their spiritual endeavors from materialism as well.

But those religions founded upon spiritual explanatory positions for the present material world are those of fallacies and are those which are most quoted as their word do not give edification to god but edification to the whims of man."

~Nexus: al-Fulsifaht