natasha levchenko
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why does God allow the strong to oppress the weak?
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what do you think?
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dawny0826
Mother Heathen
Would you be willing to provide specific examples of this, for comment?
Ingledsva
HEATHEN ALASKAN
Levite
Higher and Higher
Free will.
Skwim
Veteran Member
That he doesn't care would appear to be the obvious answer. In the Bible he is said to have created evil, so why expect such a being to object to evil and its variations when they arise? It seems to be in keeping with his character.
We may choose our actions based on our desires, but we don't choose our desires. Why would God create strong people who want to oppress the weak in the first place?
Gjallarhorn
N'yog-Sothep
It is by the nature of the strong to dominate the weak.
The idea that dominate is equivalent to oppress is lacking in evidence though.
Tumah
Veteran Member
The same reasons why He "allows" anything else that appears evil to us.
Monk Of Reason
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SkylarHunter
Active Member
Because Satan said we didn't need God's guidance and we could manage on our own. He gave us time to prove Satan's point. It's clear Satan was wrong, we humans cannot manage our own lives. Looking at the way we destroy each other and the planet it is clear that we need help - urgently.
WonderWho
Away
Agreed or he has moved on to anther experiment and has forgotten about us.
The God-concept of the Abrahamic religions clearly does not believe in democracy although he gives free will/thought.
God is all about social stability.
Kilgore Trout
Misanthropic Humanist
For semantical consistency. If he didn't, then the strong wouldn't be the strong, and the weak wouldn't be the weak.
Actually he allows either to oppress the other.
But the weak are such slackers at it that we just don't see much of it.
Levite
Higher and Higher
Nobody comes into the world pre-programmed for oppression. Or for anything else.
Unless someone is violent or otherwise unethical or immoral because of clinical mental illness, their actions come from their choices, and their choices from either their decisions, or their wants and needs based on their psychological reactions to the environmental factors of their upbringing, or combinations thereof.
But I simply don't believe that God creates certain people inherently evil or inherently good. We are all only potential until we begin making decisions, and only liable when we make decisions as adults.
He has allowed evil and suffering for a period of time to settle the moral issues raised by Satan in the garden of Eden. God hates oppression and those who oppress others. History has shown that attempts to go our own way apart from God's direction inevitably leads to disaster. (Jeremiah 10:23) This has taken time to prove beyond a reasonable doubt. I believe God's time for permitting evil is almost over. Speaking prophetically of Christ, Psalm 72:11-14 promises: "*All the kings will bow down before him, And all the nations will serve him. For he will rescue the poor who cry for help, Also the lowly one and whoever has no helper. *He will have pity on the lowly and the poor, And the lives of the poor he will save. From oppression and from violence he will rescue them."
I take issue with a god that allows innocence to be corrupted because it removes their culpability. Children just coming into the world don't have enough know how and allowing them to be corrupted slowly removes whatever free will they had as they get older. Kinda like god throwing us into a world full of demons and being surprised when we become evil. Seems like we aren't given a fighting chance.
But how does any of this really answer the point I raised? "Free will" only speaks to half of the problem. A person's free will can only ever allow them to choose between the options they want to do. Protecting free will only enables evil if people had evil desires in the first place. As you pointed out, these desires can be traced back to things beyond our control. How can God not be ultimately responsible for them?
Tumah
Veteran Member
I think you are only looking at half the equation. The evil desires that a person has also comes with a set of tools to overcome them. That's the "free will" part of "free will." Without that, I would agree with you.