What do you want to know about LDS beliefs?

[FFH]

...two completely different relgions...

Obviously.

 

[Bishka]

This is a close as you are going to get about anything concerning the "Quakers".

This is a revelation about the "Shakers"

Doctrine and Covenants 49

How the poppin fresh oranges is this aobut the Shakers?

 

[Aqualung]

Dang it, Becky, sneaking up in between our posts... :ignore:

Obviously.

Lol.

 

[Aqualung]

How the poppin fresh oranges is this aobut the Shakers?

It was given to someone because they still believed some Shaker doctrine (it's in the heading of the section ).

 

[FFH]

How the poppin fresh oranges is this aobut the Shakers?

Alan posted the old "Quakers on the moon" rumor about Joseph Smith, and I was thinking Doctrine and Covenants 49 was about the "Quakers" but it was about the "Shakers", which is a different group, but I still wanted to post it, to show that was as close as you're going to get, about a revelation given to Joseph Smith about anything to do with the "Quakers".

 

[Bishka]

Alan posted the old "Quakers on the moon" rumor about Joseph Smith, and I was thinking Doctrine and Covenants 49 was about the "Quakers" but it was about the "Shakers", which is a different group, but I still wanted to post it, to show that was as close as you're going to get, about a revelation given to Joseph Smith about anything to do with the "Quakers".

Though I believe Brigham Young speculated about something......all though, he never did prophesy, just speculated......

 

[FFH]

Differences between the Shakers and the Quakers

 

[Bishka]

Differences between the Shakers and the Quakers

And we need to know this why? I know the difference.

 

[joecrawford815]

I am back. I left for a while for the same reason I am back. All the LDS on this site are not willing to answer any questions with any tangible objective evidence. They say that there is none (in regards to difficult questions), yet somehow you guys develope evidence that no one has ever heard of, ie Dan's Swiss library, don't be afraid to give no biassed evidence, not from CARM or from LDS.org, you say go to the source, then do it, LDS.org, and CARM.org are not the original source, they are a means of conveying opinions and evidence regarding faith and lifestyle choices. Every time someone, Victor especially asked you guys for some hard evidence you gave him the answer that I prayed about it and knew, how do you know it was God, and not the burrito you had for dinner, did you check it scripturally? The Bible says many times to look to it and not your own understanding or prayer for the answers and again I say 1 Thess. 5:21, "Examine all things and holdfast to that which is true." That means research it doubt it and see if it holds up. THe LDS church does not ever encourage people to doubt it, or look to outside sources, however they indoctrinate every member with 'absolute truths' and when they run out of them in a discussion they go to they I felt it in my heart when I prayed. This is a thread, focused on LDS beliefs and doctrines, all of these people asked questions that were kind and perfectly answerable yet not one gave any of them the answers they were looking for, why is that?
Over and over people ask questions that there should be evidence to support the belief, like Victor his questions regarding the verification of Prophets. He was right, all the OT prophets and Christ were prophesied, there are no prophesies, as far as I have read pointing to the currennt prophets, JS, BY or anyother Latter Day Saint. The Bible speaks nothing of the 'restoration of Christ's church on earth" much less it falling away from earth. And with that some historival info, the 'revalation' of Joseph Smith came on the heels of the 2nd great awakening. And I have also read some JS mini biographies (I don't care to read a full length one) he was a convicted felon (State of NY v. Joseph Smith Jr.) He was involved in the occult through his parents. Joseph Smith saw an 'angel of light' this is something the Bible warns against specifically, 2 Corinthians 11:13-15 You can say it is my interpretation, it is not (I am being close minded) it is there in God's perfect inerrant word.
Second, How do you determine which works of the 'prophet' are scripture and God inspired? What separates the Journal of Discourses from the Doctrines and Convenants or the Book of Mormon. What makes the Bible scripture over the Canon or the dead sea scroll or even Dianetics? What is yourdetermining factor? Give the questioners the evidence they are looking for, if you don't have it then say it don't go around in circles questioning their beliefs in a thread that is made for the questioning of yours.
This was mostly a rant, and in case you didn't notice a lot nicer than my previous ones. But I do have one question.....
What is the difference in a change in church administration and a change in doctrine? ie Black priests, polygamy, and now being able to drink coke products.

 

[FFH]

Joe, check out www.fairLDS.org and type in your questions there.

I assure you Joe we are not misled, nor do we have any doubts about our faith, which is built upon the rock of Jesus Christ's restored gospel in these latter days.

 

[FFH]

But I do have one question.....
What is the difference in a change in church administration and a change in doctrine? ie Black priests, polygamy, and now being able to drink coke products.

All changes in administration are brought before the LORD and are prayed about by those in authority over that particular administration change, and then they are sustained by church members, in regular church meetings, by a raising of the right hand, and any opposing the change would indicate by the same sign.

I have grown up in the church and have only seen one person ever oppose any changes in administration, and that person was questioned, after the meeting, as to why they thought that person should not be called to that particular office or duty.

I was really too young to remember the outcome, but I assume the issue was resolved, and the person later sustained, unanimously. There must be a unanimous vote in order to obtain any office or duty in the church.

As in the case of the president of the church, in which case there is no one on earth who is in authority over him, save Jesus Christ, the matter is settled by seniority, and then the members of the church sustain him by the raising of the right hand, in individual church meetings, and in general conference, of course members are free to refuse to sustain him, and all opposed are asked to raise the right hand, but this is rare, and I've only seen this happen once.

People basically just leave the church if they can't sustain their leaders.

 

[sparc872]

I am back. I left for a while for the same reason I am back. All the LDS on this site are not willing to answer any questions with any tangible objective evidence. They say that there is none (in regards to difficult questions), yet somehow you guys develope evidence that no one has ever heard of, ie Dan's Swiss library, don't be afraid to give no biassed evidence, not from CARM or from LDS.org, you say go to the source, then do it, LDS.org, and CARM.org are not the original source, they are a means of conveying opinions and evidence regarding faith and lifestyle choices. Every time someone, Victor especially asked you guys for some hard evidence you gave him the answer that I prayed about it and knew, how do you know it was God, and not the burrito you had for dinner, did you check it scripturally? The Bible says many times to look to it and not your own understanding or prayer for the answers and again I say 1 Thess. 5:21, "Examine all things and holdfast to that which is true." That means research it doubt it and see if it holds up. THe LDS church does not ever encourage people to doubt it, or look to outside sources, however they indoctrinate every member with 'absolute truths' and when they run out of them in a discussion they go to they I felt it in my heart when I prayed. This is a thread, focused on LDS beliefs and doctrines, all of these people asked questions that were kind and perfectly answerable yet not one gave any of them the answers they were looking for, why is that?

And that is why I am an atheist

 

[FFH]

But I do have one question.....
What is the difference in a change in church administration and a change in doctrine? ie Black priests, polygamy, and now being able to drink coke products.

The latter part of this question can be answered by listening to this:

Official Declaration—2
Revelation given to Spencer W. Kimball in which the LORD extends the rights to the Aaronic and Melchizedek Priesthood to all worthy male members of the church

Official Declaration—1
Abolition of polygamy

I believe, as do millions of others, that the fullness of Christ's gospel has been restored, and Christ, himself, has laid it's foundation, through past and present prophets and apostles.

 

[FFH]

What does the Book of Mormon have to say about polygamy ???

Jacob 2: 27-30

27- Wherefore, my brethren, hear me, and hearken to the word of the Lord: For there shall not any man among you have save it be one wife; and concubines he shall have none;

28- For I, the Lord God, delight in the chastity of women. And whoredoms are an abomination before me; thus saith the Lord of Hosts.

29- Wherefore, this people shall keep my commandments, saith the Lord of Hosts, or cursed be the land for their sakes.

30- For if I will, saith the Lord of Hosts, raise up seed unto me, I will command my people; otherwise they shall hearken unto these things.

 

[SoyLeche]

Over and over people ask questions that there should be evidence to support the belief, like Victor his questions regarding the verification of Prophets. He was right, all the OT prophets and Christ were prophesied, there are no prophesies, as far as I have read pointing to the currennt prophets, JS, BY or anyother Latter Day Saint.

Since Victor conveniently sidestepped this issue, maybe you'd like to pick it up. Let's see some evidence. Show me where Isaiah or Joel were prophesied beforehand. For that matter, show me where Moses was prophesied of. Apparently the prophecies about Jesus weren't quite enough to get the Jews to accept him, arguably the most knowlegable people in the world as far as what the OT says.

Second, tell me why someone living in Isaiah's day, or even 100 years afterword, would believe in his words.

Third, point me to a prophecy by a non-israelite about the coming of Hosea, Habukuk, or Moses. If you really want me to hold Joseph Smith up to this standard you've set up, give me some reason to believe that the standard has any value whatsoever.

 

[FFH]

there are no prophesies, as far as I have read pointing to the current prophets, JS, BY or anyother Latter Day Saint.

2 Nephi 3

 

[jonny]

... willing to answer any questions with any tangible objective evidence...

I have no problem answering objective questions with objective answers. Unfortunately, I don't waste my time debating people who lack moral character (especially when it comes to honesty). Sorry. Discussing things with you is as effective as writing my beliefs on toilet paper and flushing them down the toilet. It's a waste of time and energy.

The motivation behind your questions is blatantly obvious, offensive, and pathetic. That's why I'm not "willing" to answer your questions.

 

[wmam]

I don't know your religious affiliation, but anyone who agrees with that interpretation of this scripture needs to also be prepared to state that Jonah was not a prophet of God.

Hey, if the shoe fits.

 

[Bishka]

I am back. I left for a while for the same reason I am back. All the LDS on this site are not willing to answer any questions with any tangible objective evidence. They say that there is none (in regards to difficult questions), yet somehow you guys develope evidence that no one has ever heard of, ie Dan's Swiss library, don't be afraid to give no biassed evidence, not from CARM or from LDS.org, you say go to the source, then do it, LDS.org, and CARM.org are not the original source, they are a means of conveying opinions and evidence regarding faith and lifestyle choices. Every time someone, Victor especially asked you guys for some hard evidence you gave him the answer that I prayed about it and knew, how do you know it was God, and not the burrito you had for dinner, did you check it scripturally? The Bible says many times to look to it and not your own understanding or prayer for the answers and again I say 1 Thess. 5:21, "Examine all things and holdfast to that which is true." That means research it doubt it and see if it holds up. THe LDS church does not ever encourage people to doubt it, or look to outside sources, however they indoctrinate every member with 'absolute truths' and when they run out of them in a discussion they go to they I felt it in my heart when I prayed. This is a thread, focused on LDS beliefs and doctrines, all of these people asked questions that were kind and perfectly answerable yet not one gave any of them the answers they were looking for, why is that?
Over and over people ask questions that there should be evidence to support the belief, like Victor his questions regarding the verification of Prophets. He was right, all the OT prophets and Christ were prophesied, there are no prophesies, as far as I have read pointing to the currennt prophets, JS, BY or anyother Latter Day Saint. The Bible speaks nothing of the 'restoration of Christ's church on earth" much less it falling away from earth. And with that some historival info, the 'revalation' of Joseph Smith came on the heels of the 2nd great awakening. And I have also read some JS mini biographies (I don't care to read a full length one) he was a convicted felon (State of NY v. Joseph Smith Jr.) He was involved in the occult through his parents. Joseph Smith saw an 'angel of light' this is something the Bible warns against specifically, 2 Corinthians 11:13-15 You can say it is my interpretation, it is not (I am being close minded) it is there in God's perfect inerrant word.
Second, How do you determine which works of the 'prophet' are scripture and God inspired? What separates the Journal of Discourses from the Doctrines and Convenants or the Book of Mormon. What makes the Bible scripture over the Canon or the dead sea scroll or even Dianetics? What is yourdetermining factor? Give the questioners the evidence they are looking for, if you don't have it then say it don't go around in circles questioning their beliefs in a thread that is made for the questioning of yours.
This was mostly a rant, and in case you didn't notice a lot nicer than my previous ones. But I do have one question.....
What is the difference in a change in church administration and a change in doctrine? ie Black priests, polygamy, and now being able to drink coke products.

One, could you make it smaller sentence form next time? Easier to sort out your questions.

BTW, anything we tell you, you will try to refute it, you've done it in the past. We aren't going around in circles, you just odn't accept our answers. It's that simple

 

[wmam]

The Book of Mormon is "Another Testament/Witness of Jesus Christ", therefore, if you reject the Book of Mormon, you are rejecting Jesus Christ.

Those that reject the Book of Mormon, as valid scripture from God, are rejecting the Son of God, who is the author of ALL scripture.

Are you willing to take that risk ???

I would never take such a foolish risk. There is too much to lose.

You might say what is there to lose ??? Ah well nothing really important, just eternal life and exaltaion in the highest degree of glory, with God the Father, and his Son Jesus Christ, and all the blessings which pertain to that degree of glory, in the Celestial kingdom.

Sorry, not willing to take such a foolish risk.

Would this be the same as how others, that do not believe the way you do, feel about you and those like you? Some might say that you, and those like you, are taking the foolish risk. Just a point.