What Does It Matter?

[Yuusif12]

I know it isn't possible.
It doesn't have to be over fighting over religion. There would just be less wars if most of them believed in god.

God is kind and just, but he is also swift in punishment.
If anyone has belief the size of a seed, they will go to paradise after being cleansed in hell.
And the people who go to hell, if they saw it and returned to this life. They would continue disbelieving

 

[arcanum]

I know it isn't possible.
It doesn't have to be over fighting over religion. There would just be less wars if most of them believed in god.

God is kind and just, but he is also swift in punishment.
If anyone has belief the size of a seed, they will go to paradise after being cleansed in hell.
And the people who go to hell, if they saw it and returned to this life. They would continue disbelieving

You are obviously a product of your religious conditioning, if that works for you great. I've long since abandoned the idea that god would send a person to hell for disbelief, the whole idea is absurd and has been used as a tool of control.

 

[9Westy9]

I know it isn't possible.
It doesn't have to be over fighting over religion. There would just be less wars if most of them believed in god.

Less wars possibly but that is true of any group that share common beliefs

God is kind and just, but he is also swift in punishment.
If anyone has belief the size of a seed, they will go to paradise after being cleansed in hell.
And the people who go to hell, if they saw it and returned to this life. They would continue disbelieving

Kind and just aren't words that match up with the idea of hell.

 

[Yuusif12]

Less wars possibly but that is true of any group that share common beliefs

exactly

Kind and just aren't words that match up with the idea of hell.

"None will [enter to] burn therein except the most wretched (most evil) one." Chapter 92: Verse 15

"Oh, woe to us! What is this book that leaves nothing small or great except that it has enumerated it?" And they will find what they did present [before them]. And your Lord does injustice to no one. Chapter 18: Verses 49.

Whoever comes [on the Day of Judgment] with a good deed will have ten times the like thereof [to his credit], and whoever comes with an evil deed will not be recompensed except the like thereof; and they will not be wronged. Chapter 6: Verse 160.

Say, "O My servants who have transgressed against themselves [by sinning], do not despair of the mercy of Allah. Indeed, Allah forgives all sins. Indeed, it is He who is the Forgiving, the Merciful." Chapter 39: Verse 53.

 

[Jainarayan]

If God wants good for his slave. He punishes him in this life instead of in hell. so you are right

That kind of God is no different than an abusive husband who claims to love his wife. He buys her all kinds of nice things, and treats her well when she's "good" but beats the **** out of her when she's "bad", according to his rules.

No thank you.

 

[9Westy9]

exactly

So then what was the point you were trying to portray when you said "if we all believed then there would be less war."? If this is true of any group that shares a common belief then what makes it special?

"None will [enter to] burn therein except the most wretched (most evil) one." Chapter 92: Verse 15

"Oh, woe to us! What is this book that leaves nothing small or great except that it has enumerated it?" And they will find what they did present [before them]. And your Lord does injustice to no one. Chapter 18: Verses 49.

Whoever comes [on the Day of Judgment] with a good deed will have ten times the like thereof [to his credit], and whoever comes with an evil deed will not be recompensed except the like thereof; and they will not be wronged. Chapter 6: Verse 160.

Say, "O My servants who have transgressed against themselves [by sinning], do not despair of the mercy of Allah. Indeed, Allah forgives all sins. Indeed, it is He who is the Forgiving, the Merciful." Chapter 39: Verse 53.

I don't see what these add to the discussion? As far as I'm concerned a kind and just god wouldn't create hell.

 

[Contemplative Cat]

God is just a word used in spiritual traditions.
Whats really important
-development of compassion and empathy for all beings.
-the utter acceptance of causality(karma &/or Fate)

Many people are drunk on concepts and tripping on words.
They cling to a concept. Of God because they feel its needed to continue development of their spirituality.

 

[Yuusif12]

So then what was the point you were trying to portray when you said "if we all believed then there would be less war."? If this is true of any group that shares a common belief then what makes it special?

I was answering the OP

I don't see what these add to the discussion? As far as I'm concerned a kind and just god wouldn't create hell.

“If you could but see when they will be held over the (Hell) Fire! They will say: “Would that we were but sent back (to the world)! Then we would not deny the Ayat of our Lord, and we would be of the believers! Nay, it has become manifest to them what they had been concealing before. But if they were returned (to the world), they would certainly revert to that which they were forbidden. And indeed they are liars.” (6:27-8)

God created humans to worship him. and he created hell to punish those who didnt worship him.
He knows that if he sent them back to this life after they saw the fire they would still revert to forbidden things

-development of compassion and empathy for all beings.
-the utter acceptance of causality(karma &/or Fate)

which is exactly what the true religion brings you

 

[Contemplative Cat]

apparently some people don't need theology to be spiritual.
Cling to mental ideas, its not God just your idea of God.
It is mental idolatry. God doesn't need your worship, or to be named, or anything from you to exist.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

Seems like we are still winning in the not-wasting-time measure, regardless if he exists or not. Anyone else like to sleep in Sunday morning?

*raises hand*

 

[ametist]

The question in op has small pragmatic expectations that may come along with understanding of god. Thats never directly so. Nothing changes outside when everything changes inside of you. Just your vision changes. If on the otherhand in global scale everybody inside changes by knowing god, the reality as we know today cannot hold on and seizes to exist..to what end I cant guess. So unknowing party is a blessing for status quo. however your perception reads it.

 

[9Westy9]

God created humans to worship him. and he created hell to punish those who didnt worship him.
He knows that if he sent them back to this life after they saw the fire they would still revert to forbidden things

and yet you believe this god is "kind and just"?! :areyoucra

 

[idav]

How a person views the world affects how they react to it. Theology does shape our worldview and consequently how we associate ourselves with everyone and everything. For example take a person that believes in prayer vs someone who does not, which one would be more likely to take more personal responsibility. How the outcomes come about don't change but our view influences how we approach trying to bring about certain outcomes.

 

[Sees]

How a person views the world affects how they react to it. Theology does shape our worldview and consequently how we associate ourselves with everyone and everything. For example take a person that believes in prayer vs someone who does not, which one would be more likely to take more personal responsibility. How the outcomes come about don't change but our view influences how we approach trying to bring about certain outcomes.

I agree mostly but the prayer thing only to a certain extent. The mature person will do whatever they can regardless of prayer belief and not blame anything or anyone who is not obviously responsible for whatever happens. The aspects of positive thinking and determination can swing either way. Will depend on the character of their prayer beliefs and theology along with whole integrated worldview.

A lot of people expect big brother or the rest of the world to baby them and take care of issues, just as much as others invision a God that spends 24/7 fixated on their little life anxiously waiting for cries of help.

 

[Quagmire]

We debate the existence of God, and alongside that the nature of God.

But why? What does it matter if God exists or doesn't? The nature of the world, as it is right now, will remain the same no matter if God is a Germanish journalist who is rushin' a Russian to fix his back pain he got from Spain.

We use what we know of the world to learn about what is beyond the world, but do we expect what we know of the world to change? If we did find proof of God do we expect God to communicate more often? If we did find proof that God is omnimax would we expect an abrupt end to disease or war? If we did find proof that prayer works, would we expect to see no more unanswered prayers?

On a personal level, I think it matters.

But since your questions here are all "we" questions, in that context no, I don't think it matters.

 

[nazz]

We debate the existence of God, and alongside that the nature of God.

But why? What does it matter if God exists or doesn't?

It does to me. It matters a great deal to me. What doesn't matter to me is to convince someone else that God exists.

 

[roger1440]

We debate the existence of God, and alongside that the nature of God.

But why? What does it matter if God exists or doesn't? The nature of the world, as it is right now, will remain the same no matter if God is a Germanish journalist who is rushin' a Russian to fix his back pain he got from Spain.

We use what we know of the world to learn about what is beyond the world, but do we expect what we know of the world to change? If we did find proof of God do we expect God to communicate more often? If we did find proof that God is omnimax would we expect an abrupt end to disease or war? If we did find proof that prayer works, would we expect to see no more unanswered prayers?

God isn’t about the world. God is about our relationship with the world. The world will still go round and round with or without our belief in God. Our ideas about God is a means to embrace the infinite.