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What does one do when they see the dead rise from the grave? (Isaiah 26:19-21)

Faithofchristian

Well-Known Member
I would tell you who the walking dead are, but then you might get depressed and kill yourself. I would rather you find out for yourself.


So what your actually saying is that you have no clue or idea of who the dead are.

Maybe you should take an in-depth study in the Bible and find out who dead represents. Since you have no clue or idea of who the dead represents. And it's sure not those dead corps in the ground that's for sure.
 

Faithofchristian

Well-Known Member
They follow what Yeshua taught, and recognize that God is not the God of the dead, but the living (Matthew 22:31-32, Mark 12:26-27, Luke 20:34-38 )...

Therefore there is no Resurrection of the Dead, it is the Reincarnation of the Living.

In my opinion. :innocent:


There is a Resurrection of the dead, If you know who the dead Represents.
And it's sure not those dead bodies, corps that's laying in the ground either.
 

2ndpillar

Well-Known Member
They follow what Yeshua taught, and recognize that God is not the God of the dead, but the living (Matthew 22:31-32, Mark 12:26-27, Luke 20:34-38 )...

Therefore there is no Resurrection of the Dead, it is the Reincarnation of the Living.

In my opinion. :innocent:

Sorry, but the living do not need to be reincarnated. They need to survive the coming "awesome day of the LORD" (Joel 2:31-32). Daniel (Daniel 12:13), who is buried and in the grave, will be one of those who reign with "Christ" for a "thousand years" (Rev 20:4). As for the saints, while their resting spirits may be stuck under the altar of Revelation 6:9, they certainly do not have living bodies, otherwise they would be suffering atrocious muscle cramps.
 

wizanda

One Accepts All Religious Texts
Premium Member
while their resting spirits may be stuck under the altar of Revelation 6:9
They're not stuck under an altar; they're spiritually alive in a place with God until the time of the Resurrection, where then they're spirits come back into a physical form...

There are far more dead spirits here walking around in living bodies; whereas there are none spiritually dead with God.

Thus when you asked the question, who has a door to hide from the indignation (Isaiah 26:20); is that the saints have already been removed from this reality into a place of safety, until after the destruction.

In my opinion. :innocent:
 
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2ndpillar

Well-Known Member
They're not stuck under an altar; they're spiritually alive in a place with God until the time of the Resurrection, where then they're spirits come back into a physical form...

There are far more dead spirits here walking around in living bodies; whereas there are none spiritually dead with God.

Thus when you asked the question, who has a door to hide from the indignation (Isaiah 26:20); is that the saints have already been removed from this reality into a place of safety, until after the destruction.

In my opinion. :innocent:

You are a bit confused. If the "saints have already been safely removed", why would they have to "hide for a little while".(Is 26:20). And why were they told that they should "rest a little while longer" (Rev 6:11). As for "dead spirits" walking around in living bodies, well that would be the "demon"/"unclean spirits". And you are correct, there "are none spiritually dead with God". To be "spiritual dead", one must sin, and sinners are cut off from God (Isaiah 59:2). Of course the main selling point of "Christians" is that they claim they are "repented sinners" who continue in their sin. Kind of like a member of AA who continues drinking. Look judge, I go to my meetings.

Hiding from the "indignation" is for "my people" (Is 26:20), which would correspond to Joel 2:31-32 & Jer 30:11, those on "Mount Zion and in Jerusalem", those who would be "survivors", but who the LORD would chastened "justly".
 

james bond

Well-Known Member
There must be a reason why the zombie movies and tv shows are so popular. After surviving the initial shock, then you have to try and survive and not let them eat you. But it they get you and not eat you completely, then it takes about a year to decompose so you could come back like that ha ha.

I rather come back as a soul with spirit and new perfect resurrection body and live in the afterlife. I think that's what Isaiah is referring to. Then there is the resurrection after that and one doesn't get their resurrection body as it is burned away.
 

2ndpillar

Well-Known Member
I rather come back as a soul with spirit and new perfect resurrection body and live in the afterlife. I think that's what Isaiah is referring to. Then there is the resurrection after that and one doesn't get their resurrection body as it is burned away.

True, but there are restrictions as to whom is in the 1st resurrection, per Revelation 20:4.

New American Standard Bible Rev 20:4
Then I saw thrones, and they sat on them, and judgment was given to them. And I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded because of their testimony of Jesus and because of the word of God, and those who had not worshiped the beast or his image, and had not received the mark on their forehead and on their hand; and they came to life and reigned with Christ for a thousand years.
 

Trailblazer

Veteran Member
Look you could have saved yourself a lot of trouble of writing, if you had ask one question first.

Had you ask me do I know who the dead are.
I would have told you, Yes I do know who the dead are, the dead are, are the spiritual dead.
This is what I was asking the person who has the thread, if they have any idea who the dead are.
No problem. I already had most of what I posted written up and saved in a Word document, from previous conversations on this subject which have been numerous. :D
Let me ask you, the dead are the spiritual dead as you say they are. Ok.

If you were ask, who are the spiritual dead in reference to ?
Who would you say the spiritual dead as being in reference to.
Who's the spiritual dead ?
During the Dispensation of Jesus Christ, those who believed in Jesus had eternal life, and those who did not believe in Jesus were spiritually dead.

John 3:16: For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life.

John 3:36 He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.

John 17:3 And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.

1 John 5:13 I write these things to you who believe in the name of the Son of God that you may know that you have eternal life.


According to my beliefs, we are living in the Dispensation of Baha’u’llah, so those who those who have not recognized Baha’u’llah are spiritually dead, but those who have recognized Baha’u’llah will have everlasting life.

“He is indeed as one dead who, at the wondrous dawn of this Revelation, hath failed to be quickened by its soul-stirring breeze. He is indeed a captive who hath not recognized the Supreme Redeemer, but hath suffered his soul to be bound, distressed and helpless, in the fetters of his desires.

O My servants! Whoso hath tasted of this Fountain hath attained unto everlasting Life, and whoso hath refused to drink therefrom is even as the dead. Say: O ye workers of iniquity! Covetousness hath hindered you from giving a hearing ear unto the sweet voice of Him Who is the All-Sufficing. Wash it away from your hearts, that His Divine secret may be made known unto you. Behold Him manifest and resplendent as the sun in all its glory.”

Gleanings From the Writings of Bahá’u’lláh, p. 169

“The Book of God is wide open, and His Word is summoning mankind unto Him. No more than a mere handful, however, hath been found willing to cleave to His Cause, or to become the instruments for its promotion. These few have been endued with the Divine Elixir that can, alone, transmute into purest gold the dross of the world, and have been empowered to administer the infallible remedy for all the ills that afflict the children of men. No man can obtain everlasting life, unless he embraceth the truth of this inestimable, this wondrous, and sublime Revelation.”
Gleanings From the Writings of Bahá’u’lláh, p. 183
 

74x12

Well-Known Member
You might want to compare your flailing construct, based on some translation by some Scottish publisher in the 19th century, to Revelation 20:4. The dead who were resurrected were those who did not have the mark of the beast. That would preclude your "Christian" church, which was instituted by the "beast with two horns like a lamb", the emperor Constantine. Unlike your "Christians", those who rose from the dead would reign with Christ, not be Christ. See Ezekiel 37:22-28. That would include the Jew Daniel (Daniel 12:13).
Christian means follower of Christ. Not that they are Christ ... There is one head of the body and many members. If you're not in the body of Christ; then no first resurrection is for you. He unites those who came before such as Daniel with those who came after. Also all those who are in heaven with those on earth are united through Him. He's the Creator and the I Am. There is no one else. He was manifest in human form to restore all of us again to the Father. All will be raised who are in Him from Adam to the last on that day ... Who are they who are the body of Christ other than those who have the Spirit of Christ? It is them. They have the Spirit of Christ which testifies they are the body of Christ. This is the new Jerusalem the bride of Christ washed in the blood of the Lamb.

Those who came before Christ will not be made perfect without us and they are not saved except by the blood of Christ. The Law of Moses was good but all those sacrifices of animals only pointed to the Salvation(Yeshua) that was coming. The Psalm declared sacrifice and offering Thou wouldst not ... The Yeshua had not yet come and although they went to Abraham's bosom they did not receive their new bodies without Christ who said "I am the resurrection and the life" and "no one comes to the Father but through me" He also said I am the First and the Last", "The Beginning and the End." So you'll know all things are made in Him and for Him. The Father manifest in the Son. No other God ...

The mark of the beast is coming soon and is part of the transhumanist agenda. The world will see it's no joke. The new world order is coming. Anyone who wants to survive will worship lucifer and the beast world government. They'll also crown a despot king of the world who is the antichrist. The image of the beast is probably a world wide artificial intelligence you have to have on your phone or other computer device. That you will be forced to worship.
 

2ndpillar

Well-Known Member
Christian means follower of Christ. Not that they are Christ ... There is one head of the body and many members. If you're not in the body of Christ; then no first resurrection is for you. He unites those who came before such as Daniel with those who came after. Also all those who are in heaven with those on earth are united through Him. He's the Creator and the I Am. There is no one else. He was manifest in human form to restore all of us again to the Father. All will be raised who are in Him from Adam to the last on that day ... Who are they who are the body of Christ other than those who have the Spirit of Christ? It is them. They have the Spirit of Christ which testifies they are the body of Christ. This is the new Jerusalem the bride of Christ washed in the blood of the Lamb.

Those who came before Christ will not be made perfect without us and they are not saved except by the blood of Christ. The Law of Moses was good but all those sacrifices of animals only pointed to the Salvation(Yeshua) that was coming. The Psalm declared sacrifice and offering Thou wouldst not ... The Yeshua had not yet come and although they went to Abraham's bosom they did not receive their new bodies without Christ who said "I am the resurrection and the life" and "no one comes to the Father but through me" He also said I am the First and the Last", "The Beginning and the End." So you'll know all things are made in Him and for Him. The Father manifest in the Son. No other God ...

The mark of the beast is coming soon and is part of the transhumanist agenda. The world will see it's no joke. The new world order is coming. Anyone who wants to survive will worship lucifer and the beast world government. They'll also crown a despot king of the world who is the antichrist. The image of the beast is probably a world wide artificial intelligence you have to have on your phone or other computer device. That you will be forced to worship.

The world has been worshiping the "beast" and the "dragon" of Revelation 13:1-2 since the time of Babylon. They have worshipped the "demon" spirit of the "beast" (Rev 16:13-16) in it's recent form of Barrack Hussein Obama. If it weren't for the "deplorables", in fly over country, this country would be worshipping the queen of heaven/hell, Hillary right here and now. The time of the beast is coming to and end. The feet of iron and clay, the Russians and the Arabs were crushed in 1967 (Daniel 2:34). All the "kingdoms" will be crushed all at the same time (Daniel 2:35 & 44), in the near future (Mt 24:33) & (Zech 14:1-3). The Spirit of Revelation, the Spirit of God, is the Law and the Prophets, and the testimony of Yeshua (Rev 19:10 & Rev 20:4). The "Christian" church has worshipped the word of the false prophet Paul, a no no. They carry the mark of the beast, and his dragon, whose message was and is, "you surely shall not die" (Gen 3:4) & (1 Thes 4:17) Hell's leaders, Peloski, McCain, and their friend,s are failing fast. And Daniel is still in the grave (Daniel 12:13) and will not arise until the "end time"/"end of the age". That goes for all of the saints, who remain under an "altar", waiting till the last "saint" is killed. (Rev 6:11). Trump won't stop the coming hell on earth, but hopefully, he will limit the casualties of the "deplorables".
 

Thief

Rogue Theologian
What does one do when they see the dead rise from the grave? (Isaiah 26:19-21)

What are you going to do when the dead rise from the grave? Do you have a door to close, a place to hide, while “indignation runs its course” (Isaiah 26:20) & (Mt 24:31) (Ezekiel 37:1-12) & (Rev 20:4)?

Isaiah 26:19 Your dead will live;
Their corpses will rise.
You who lie in the dust, awake and shout for joy,
For your dew is as the dew of the dawn,
And the earth will give birth to the departed spirits.

20 Come, my people, enter into your rooms
And close your doors behind you;
Hide for a little while
Until indignation runs its course.

21 For behold, the LORD is about to come out from His place
To punish the inhabitants of the earth for their iniquity;
And the earth will reveal her bloodshed
And will no longer cover her slain
I believe the 'stand-up' happens in the same hour as the last breath
eternal darkness is for those who followed their bodies into the grave

I would LOVE to see the spirit rise from the body

AND I HOPE TO DO SO! ......during my last hour
 

Ingledsva

HEATHEN ALASKAN
What does one do when they see the dead rise from the grave? (Isaiah 26:19-21)

What are you going to do when the dead rise from the grave? Do you have a door to close, a place to hide, while “indignation runs its course” (Isaiah 26:20) & (Mt 24:31) (Ezekiel 37:1-12) & (Rev 20:4)?

Isaiah 26:19 Your dead will live;
Their corpses will rise.
You who lie in the dust, awake and shout for joy,
For your dew is as the dew of the dawn,
And the earth will give birth to the departed spirits.

20 Come, my people, enter into your rooms
And close your doors behind you;
Hide for a little while
Until indignation runs its course.

21 For behold, the LORD is about to come out from His place
To punish the inhabitants of the earth for their iniquity;
And the earth will reveal her bloodshed
And will no longer cover her slain

These verses are talking about a war, not end times.

"Isaiah 26:14
They are dead - That is, the kings and tyrants to whom reference is made in Isa_26:13. The principal enemies of the Jews, who had oppressed them, were slain when Babylon was taken by Cyrus (see the notes at Isa. 13; 14)


They shall not live - They shall not again live, and be permitted to harass and enslave us.

They are deceased - Hebrew, רפאים repâ'iym - a name given to the shades or manes of the dead, from an idea that they were weak and powerless (see the notes at Isa_14:9-10; compare Psa_88:11; Pro_2:18; Pro_9:18; Pro_21:16). The sense here is, that they had died and gone to the land of shades, and were now unable anymore to reach or injure the people of God.

"Isaiah 26:19

Thy dead men shall live -
Very various interpretations have been given of this verse, which may be seen at length by comparing Vitringa, Rosenmuller, Gesenius, and Poole’s Synopsis. In Isa_26:14, the chorus is represented as saying of the dead men and tyrants of Babylon that had oppressed the captive Jews, that they should not rise, and should no more oppress the people of God. In contradistinction from this fate of their enemies, the choir is here introduced as addressing Yahweh (compare Isa_26:16), and saying thy dead shall live;’ that is, thy people shall live again shall be restored to to vigor, and strength, and enjoyment. They had been dead; that is, civilly dead in Babylon; they were cut off from their privileges, torn away from their homes, made captives in a foreign land. Their king had been dethroned; their temple demolished; their princes, priests, and people made captive; their name blotted from the list of nations; and to all intents and purposes, as a people, they were deceased. This figure is one that is common, by which the loss of privileges and enjoyments, and especially of civil rights, is represented as death. "

"Awake and sing - In view of the cheering and consolatory fact just stated that the dead shall rise, the chorus calls on the people to awake and rejoice. This is an address made directly to the dejected and oppressed people, as if the choir were with them. ..."


"Ye that dwell in dust - To sit in dust, or to dwell in the dust, is emblematic of a state of dejection, want, oppression, or poverty Psa_44:25; Psa_119:25; Isa_25:12; Isa_26:5; Isa_47:1. Here it is supposed to be addressed to the captives in Babylon, as oppressed, enslaved, dejected. ..."
Albert Barnes' Notes On The Bible

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2ndpillar

Well-Known Member
These verses are talking about a war, not end times.

"Isaiah 26:14
They are dead - That is, the kings and tyrants to whom reference is made in Isa_26:13. The principal enemies of the Jews, who had oppressed them, were slain when Babylon was taken by Cyrus (see the notes at Isa. 13; 14)

Sorry, but God has determined to "hide these things from the wise and intelligent and didst reveal them to babes" (Mt 11:25). This with respect to your quoted experts. The old Hebrew has no tense. What was will be again (Ecc 1:9). The "kingdoms" of Daniel 2, which included Babylon, were given an "extension of life" (Daniel 7:12). Iraq is the present day Babylon. They were part of the coalition of the Arabs of the 1967 Israeli war, which had hoped to "annihilate" the "nation" of "Israel" (Psalms 83) & (Daniel 2:34) and were "crushed". They were part of the "clay" of the feet of "iron" and "clay". Their allies, the Russians, were the Roman Czar's/Caesar's Russia, who represented the iron. All the "kingdoms" of Daniel 2 will again be "gathered" to "Jerusalem", to be "crushed" "all at the same time" (Daniel 2:35 & 44) & (Zechariah 14:1-3). The "awesome day of the LORD" (Joel 2:31-32), is indeed a war (Zech 14:2-3 & 14) & (Rev 19:15). According to the timeline of Judah coming out of Babylon, and a decree from Cyrus, it was 70 years before they started building the tabernacle of God. Judah came out of the nations/Babylon/Egypt 70 years ago in 1948, and they together with Ephraim/the house of Israel, will be the tabernacle of the LORD "in the land that I gave to Jacob" (Ez 37:15-25 & 28). tick tock
 
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