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What Does Salvation Do For You In The Hear and Now?

Sunstone

De Diablo Del Fora
Premium Member
Let's say, for the sake of argument, that you accept Jesus Christ as your lord and savior today, and that you are thus assured of eternal salvation in the afterlife. Does that do anything for you today in the hear and now?

Does it reconcile you to your life? Does it give your life meaning and purpose?

Does it make you better able to love everyone -- including your enemies?

Does it create in you an appreciation for nature?

Does it make you more likely to adhere to your morals?

Do you consider yourself enlightened?

Do you consider yourself fulfilled?

Do you consider yourself self-realized?

What exactly does it do for you?
 

Azekual

Lost
I can't speak for everyone else, but for me, Salvation does nothing in the here and now. I think of it like an insurance policy, it does noting until you need it.
 

Acim

Revelation all the time
Let's say, for the sake of argument, that you accept Jesus Christ as your lord and savior today, and that you are thus assured of eternal salvation in the afterlife. Does that do anything for you today in the hear and now?

Had to double check what section of the site I am responding in.

Some Christians (like me) do not accept Jesus as Lord, nor as savior. Jesus is one example of Christ, but is not "one and only" as that is close to idolatry, IMO, to think of 'him' in that way. With all this said, I do believe I have reasonable understanding of salvation. And it helps in the here and now by understanding a few things, which amount to learning to forgive (error, sin) so one can truly see Christ in all. This starts with own Self, and extends without end.

Does it reconcile you to your life? Does it give your life meaning and purpose?

Yes. It enhances greatly outlook on social life. I find I can somehow manifest grievances and grudges with others and this helps align me with what is really going on. Saves time in a sense, as say 10 years ago, I would've allowed more festering to happen, especially in my own mind.

Does it make you better able to love everyone -- including your enemies?

Yes. It is a profound Love, that continues to teach and enrich me.

Does it create in you an appreciation for nature?

Hmm, depends on what one calls nature, or natural. I am of the understanding that miracles are natural, and when they do not occur something has gone wrong. I understand that others perceive of miracles as supernatural events that are magical spectacles designed (I guess) to make all believers and in awe of the miracle worker. I don't have appreciation for that take on miracles, nor do I have much appreciation for that which insists physical is only way to do certain things, i.e. healing. All I can say, here in short order, is I know better.

Does it make you more likely to adhere to your morals?

Yes, it is moral compass.

Do you consider yourself enlightened?

More aware in general? Yes. I've experienced what may be called enlightenment, I refer to it as "moment of Grace" (that went on for good 3 days, likely longer, and hasn't been completely lost to me). Part of salvation as I understand it though is seeing 'enlightenment' all around, rather than in only 'select few.'

Do you consider yourself fulfilled?

Sometimes. Spiritually speaking? Yes. On journey of specific learning? Not quite fulfilled. If I experience any sense of illness, I feel like I picked up the, "go to jail, go directly to jail, do not pass go" card. Aka, near empty.

Do you consider yourself self-realized?

Yes, for most part.

What exactly does it do for you?

It realigns teaching and learning. I connect to Inner Teacher (as well as outer ones) and then realize, often and acutely, to what degree I am teaching. Mainly teaching myself, but also teaching in situations where say 10 years ago, I wouldn't have seen that as 'teaching' but more in vein of, 'normal human relations.' And then I realize that often I am operating under principle of, "teach love, for that is who you are." Not that I only teach love, and everyone sings kumbiya around me, while wearing magic crystals and holding hands. No, I'm not really into the 'airy fairy' perception of what's around. Not my cup of tea. Again, it is a profound love, and it goes beyond physical to core understanding of who person is, where they are now at, what is it they truly desire. I may not get this anywhere near 100% accurate, but in 'learning' I have grown far more accustomed, compared to what I once was.

Allowing myself to be a 'bringer of Light,' really helps me see Light in all, and then teach from that perspective. Not that all would perceive of me in this way, but from my experience with enlightenment, there is how we may see things through perception (clouded) and there is how vision sees Creation (you and me) and it is working on another level that when seen shows up as natural and, I would say, very obvious. Almost like, how could I have possibly missed this from the other way of 'seeing.'
 

Man of Faith

Well-Known Member
It gives me assurance that I am living the life that God intended and that I have a home to go to when I die.
It frees me from being persuaded by man's ideas on what is right and wrong or about how the world and science works, or what science can really tell us.
It opens my eyes to God's wisdom, all I have to do is ask and study his word.
I grow more like Christ everyday as I walk with him. God molds me like Christ.
I have a relationship with God and can ask for things and talk to him.
I can pray for others and know that God hears my prayers.
I can go where God is, in his church and worship him with others of like mind and see what God is doing in others lives.
I get to watch others get saved which is such a blessing.
I see the world through God's eyes and there is nothing better than that.
I can see the mistakes that science makes, such as global warming can destroy the world or that Darwinism happened.
 
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The Sum of Awe

Brought to you by the moment that spacetime began.
Staff member
Premium Member
Let's say, for the sake of argument, that you accept Jesus Christ as your lord and savior today, and that you are thus assured of eternal salvation in the afterlife. Does that do anything for you today in the hear and now?

Nope.

Does it reconcile you to your life? Does it give your life meaning and purpose?

No.

Does it make you better able to love everyone -- including your enemies?

Nope.

Does it create in you an appreciation for nature?

Nope, much less actually.

Does it make you more likely to adhere to your morals?

What morals?

Do you consider yourself enlightened?

Nope.

Do you consider yourself fulfilled?

Not even close.

Do you consider yourself self-realized?

Not at all.

What exactly does it do for you?

Not much except make me not care about dying. It makes me live like there is always a tomorrow... Which is bad.
 

Gjallarhorn

N'yog-Sothep
Let's say, for the sake of argument, that you accept Jesus Christ as your lord and savior today, and that you are thus assured of eternal salvation in the afterlife. Does that do anything for you today in the hear and now?

Not much. Supposedly connects you to the Holy Spirit or something.

Does it reconcile you to your life? Does it give your life meaning and purpose?
Not directly. Christianity has meanings and purposes for believers, but none are conferred directly by accepting Christ.

Does it make you better able to love everyone -- including your enemies?
Possibly, if you believe that all sins can be forgiven through Christ.

Does it create in you an appreciation for nature?
Not really.

Does it make you more likely to adhere to your morals?
No.

Do you consider yourself enlightened?
No.

Do you consider yourself fulfilled?
No.

Do you consider yourself self-realized?
No.

What exactly does it do for you?
It's a reservation. Not much more than that.
 

ryanam

Member
Let's say, for the sake of argument, that you accept Jesus Christ as your lord and savior today, and that you are thus assured of eternal salvation in the afterlife. Does that do anything for you today in the hear and now?

Does it reconcile you to your life? Does it give your life meaning and purpose?

It's ridiculous to assume that the belief in any deity or celestial dictator provides meaning. Whats the meaning of a mountain? We know the geological processes and the reason it is there and that's all. As a mountain, it has no specified purpose. Neither do we.

Does it make you better able to love everyone -- including your enemies?

No. Although love is a known, experienced emotion it is still simply a chemical reaction, triggered by the presence of the AVPR1A gene. Fully studied, fully understood.

My enemies are theocratic fascists. I don't want to love them, I want to destroy them.


Does it create in you an appreciation for nature?

I've always had a soft spot for nature. I wanted to become a veterinary surgeon at a very young age but found that I was neither intelligent enough nor did I have the desire to study at that intensity. I still respect and have a healthy relationship with nature... if anything more so than a believer. I think about the journey that an animal has taken to get to where/what it is today and not just assume that it was created out of thin air and has been of the same form these many centuries.

Does it make you more likely to adhere to your morals?

No. I don't need anyone else to tell me how moral I am. Morality is innate in human beings and that morality is what religion is based on, not the the other way around.

Do you consider yourself enlightened?

I consider this word white noise. A child rapist can consider himself enlightened every day if he wishes. It doesn't change what he is.

Do you consider yourself fulfilled?

I don't think there are many people out there who can announce fulfillment until they reach near the end of their life (excluding those who tragically die young). Anyone who has lived a life of enjoyment (to their standards) will consider themselves fulfilled. A 17 year-old evangelical who considers herself fulfilled because she's been instructed to believe in whatever is, in few words, talking nonsense.

Do you consider yourself self-realized?

More white noise. I know what I am. I might not know what I'm capable of yet but this comes with experience and actually living life. I do, however, know what I'm not capable of... although this, too, could change.

What exactly does it do for you?

In reality, for me, it generates a sense of pity for those who are unable to live their lives as they would see fit because of the man-made manacle that is believing in a deity which commands fear and unquestionable love.

Someone who wants you to both fear and love them, the nature in which you do fear and love the objects of your beliefs is the very essence of sado masochism.


All seems a bit shady to me.
 
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ryanam

Member
I can see the mistakes that science makes, such as global warming can destroy the world or that Darwinism happened.
Coming from a human being living in the 21st century, that's a really interesting thing to say.

Global warming IS happening. Evolution IS happening.

Please... PLEASE... for your own good, read 'The Greatest Show on Earth' by Richard Dawkins. It's not out to bash religion. It simply states known facts regarding evolution... all of which are now supported by the Pope.

Just read it. If you still don't think it's happening once you have, fine.
 

Guitar's Cry

Disciple of Pan
It's My Birthday!
Since much of religion deals with the existential questions of death, it may allow people to move on from the crushing implications of mortality. While it's the individual's choice whether or not they continue on the spiritual journey after getting past this, Siddhārtha Gautama did, and he found Buddha.

And Percival, and he found the Grail.

And Odysseus, and he found Penelope.

And Christ, and he found God.
 
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EverChanging

Well-Known Member
Salvation is here and now, and Christ is within and present. Christ has come to mean more than just the historical person. Nor is salvation a one-time thing, at least not in traditional (non-fundamentalist) theology. It happens all the time. The idea that salvation is a one time insurance policy that has no bearing on here and now or that it's some type of magical formula or believer's prayer is a fundamentalist belief that should not be attributed to the majority of Christians.
 
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