what does Satan do to be successful?

[Darkness]

The thing about god is, that he is a servant himself. We never bring god anyting he brings us the sunlight, the seasons, he basically keeps us alive and fed and serves us each day.

You are only looking at the Natural Good. Look at the Natural Bad (i.e. Earthquakes, Tsunamis)

So the God of the universe, is the servant of man, yet has far more power than any of those he serves. It is therefore the opposite with satan, satan wanting power without serving, but that power is limited, since real power, as one can see with God, comes from serving.

God serves us? Have you ever read the Bible? God kills a man for picking up sticks on the Sabbath! Read the Old Testament. Everything is about serving God and if you dare question or disobey Him, He will kill you and maybe even your innocent children.

If you say that you can defeat God by not submitting to him, will you have victory by submitting to the devil? I dont think so, since in his kingdom, no-one is willing to submit to the other, and eventually they will all cut each others throughts.

Satan (not the Devil) does not want you submit to him. He does not desire praise nor does he desire worship.

So you could say god defeated satan in the sense that he saved his children from satans grip, but satan is the one who ultimatedly defeats himself. His kingdom divided can not stand. It is divided cause no one wants to serve but everyone wants to reign.

In Satanism (using the term very loosely), you reign over yourself, not over other people. You are the god of your own body and Satan only seeks to destroy those who do not respect the freedom of others.

 

[Heneni]

God hasnt killed anyone yet. To him even if the body dies the spirit is still alive, so dont worry about the people in the OT being killed, they are not dead!

Darkness, in a previous post you said that we should not blame mythical beings for human failings, so then do you believe that satan/devil does not exist? And why then are you answering my questions about him like he does exist?

You paint a lovely picture of satan and the devil...the one probably the son of the other am I right?

So how does the devil go about destroying those that dont respect the freedom of others?

You said it is better to reign in hell than serve in heaven. But arent the children of god going to be reigning with christ so how is that bad? It doesnt seem to suggest that we rule over anybody else either.

In the devils kingdom you say, you dont rule over anybody else, you rule over yourself. Well i dont know...it seems to me like greed is what got satan into trouble with God in the first place. Has he repented?

Satan can not tell the truth. Its not within his ability. If you ask satan to describe himself, he will paint a picture of him that is beautiful, because he cant describe himself as he is. It would mean he can tell the truth.

Heneni

 

[Scarlett Wampus]

If God's religion is the religion that unites all then I conclude God's religion is not a religion at all in the way we use the term.

Much as I find belief in God irrelevant to me personally it is obviously a major factor in other people's lives. What religion can unite me with such people? It certainly isn't my religion or theirs.

 

[Darkness]

God hasnt killed anyone yet. To him even if the body dies the spirit is still alive, so dont worry about the people in the OT being killed, they are not dead!

The sword works both ways. If God can kill people and it is "all right," then wars and terrorist attacks are also "all right."

Darkness, in a previous post you said that we should not blame mythical beings for human failings, so then do you believe that satan/devil does not exist? And why then are you answering my questions about him like he does exist?

I am an Atheist; however, I draw symbolism from the Satan and Lucifer mythology. That is why I label myself a Luciferian.

You paint a lovely picture of satan and the devil...the one probably the son of the other am I right?

No. I rarely use the title "the Devil" to refer to a being I admire. It is a matter of word choice.

So how does the devil go about destroying those that dont respect the freedom of others?

At the End of Days, Satan and Lucifer will only harm those who fight him.

You said it is better to reign in hell than serve in heaven. But arent the children of god going to be reigning with christ so how is that bad? It doesnt seem to suggest that we rule over anybody else either.

So you are telling me that I could do many of the things God considers a sin in Heaven? If not, then we are not reigning.

In the devils kingdom you say, you dont rule over anybody else, you rule over yourself. Well i dont know...it seems to me like greed is what got satan into trouble with God in the first place. Has he repented?

Satan did not rebel out of greed. Satan rebelled because he realized God's sadistic fetish for worship was truly evil. Satan and Lucifer's first act of disobedience was descending from Heaven and freeing Adam and Eve from the Garden of Eden; it was an altruistic act.

Satan can not tell the truth. Its not within his ability. If you ask satan to describe himself, he will paint a picture of him that is beautiful, because he cant describe himself as he is. It would mean he can tell the truth.

Some food for thought... how do you know you can trust God when He says Satan is evil when you have not heard Satan's side of the story?

In Praise of the Devil.

 

[Heneni]

The sword works both ways. If God can kill people and it is "all right," then wars and terrorist attacks are also "all right."

Hello darkness.

True, satans side of the story would be interesting, though im not sure if he can tell the truth??? I doubt even 3 % of us have gods story right either.

About the terrorist thing you mentioned above.... If its ok for grown ups to smoke can children do it, if its ok for animals to eat their young why cant we do it, if it is ok for adults to watch porn, then it should be ok for a four year old.

Cant use that type of reasoning to make a valid point about god.

What you have considered to be killing, is not killing to god. When you kill someone you can not bring them back to life. If god 'kills' someone he doesnt kill them! He removes them temporarily and can bring them back to life and probably does. That is his choice to make, not ours , we cant go killing people thinking it is ok, since we cant dictate what must happen to them when they are dead.

Religion paints a warped image of God, satan paints a pretty picture of himself, sort of like being the underdog these days, and then there are the lucifariens who portray another picture of god and satan. So many different views out there.

One thing that all christian religions have in common is the term 'SAVED'. The rest of it is a gray area.

All christian religions have a common term for describing bad stuff 'EVIL'. The rest of it is a gray area.

So that is SAVED, and EVIL. How is satan successfull, he plays with words.

Heneni

 

[Darkness]

So that is SAVED, and EVIL. How is satan successfull, he plays with words.

Satan is successful because he shows the truth to humanity. He removes our fear of God and dares us to have a good time. He destroys foolish prejudices such as anti-homosexuality. It was the Spirit of Lucifer which founded the United States Republic and abolished slavery, not the Spirit of God.

 

[Heneni]

Hello Darkness

Satan had no fear of god which is why he rebelled against him. There was no fear there! We are not suppose to be afraid of god, but only afraid of the depth our own mind can sink to. A healthy dose of the fear of god is necessary in order to keep you from having such a good time you end up hopeless and wreckless with your eternal destiny.

If satan dares us to have a good time, then is he having one? Perhaps he is...having a good time with us.

You would equate having a good time to being free from the supposed shackles of gods rule. I dont see how that worked out to be good for satan, and i dont see how it will ever be good for him.

Freedom doesnt mean doing what you want, it means doing what is right. There is loads of freedom when it comes to the matters of god. Freedom comes when you submit to his rule, not go against it, since if you want to be free from his rule, you are on your own, and you cannot save yourself.

It makes more sense to be humble and submissive to his rule which results in true freedom from the shackles of death.

What the world percieves to be freedom is no such thing. Its exactly what deception is all about. Thinking you are free,when you are in shackles. And it is satans intention to make us think that god is the shackle master, so we wont notice the shackles he places on our mind,heart, life and eternal destiny himself.


Heneni

 

[Darkness]

You would equate having a good time to being free from the supposed shackles of gods rule. I dont see how that worked out to be good for satan, and i dont see how it will ever be good for him.

Satan would be miserable in God's Heaven. Luciferians (like myself) realize that Hell may be horrible, but the thought of abandoning our brothers and sisters to a fiery Hell is even worse.

Freedom doesnt [sic] mean doing what you want, it means doing what is right.

You just said in your last post, "How is satan successfull, he plays with words." By your own arguments you are a satan. You are twisting the word freedom. Well, I am sorry, but Freedom does not mean doing what is right. Freedom means, "exemption from external control, interference, regulation, etc." It is not that I am for evil. It is simply that I only consider something evil when it harms a person who does not want to be harmed.

There is loads of freedom when it comes to the matters of god.

So with God, it is all right if I sleep with another guy or a girl sleeps with another girl? If God is not all right with that, He will forever be my enemy.

Freedom comes when you submit to his rule, not go against it, since if you want to be free from his rule, you are on your own, and you cannot save yourself.

Never on my knees. I do not want His forgiveness. He should be asking our forgiveness.