What does the fossil record say?

[Autodidact]

Oh gosh no Auto.. I am not here to get you clapping hands or changing your stance or anything like that.

What I hope to illustrate that one is not a moron to be skeptical about the evolutionary evidence.

Of course not. One should be skeptical of all evidence. So, be skeptical, look at the evidence, use science, and realize that ToE is correct.

There is sufficient reason to challenge what these researchers claim at any time.

sure, it's science. That's how science works.

And I suppose to a lesser degree illustrate that Toe is in a theoretical state rather than being solid enough to be considered an irrefutable fact.

You still don't know what a theory is? I may have to give up on you. Maybe you have a genetic inability to learn new information?

I feel I can tie in some creative basics into the evidence. However, that is not proof of creation either.

You may find it helpful to learn what science is and how it works. Just a suggestion.

 

[Autodidact]

You got it right again..Toe, the concept that we evolved from something has been the only thing that has remained constant. We've spoken about knuckle walkers and there are plenty of other changes to speak to , and we have eg LUCA, staged evolution opposed to smooth etc, So apart from the idea we evolved from something, everything else has changed as I indicated with the who, when, where and how. You just can't help but miss the point that changing evidence is not evidence at all.

My PC plays up is why I can't use quote sometimes.

O.K. so we agree that ToE is correct and supported by the evidence, is that right? You're only interested in arguing about whether a specific evolutionary pathway is correct?

yes, changing evidence is evidence--in science, that is. The total body of evidence is constantly changing, as new science is done. THAT'S HOW SCIENCE WORKS.

 

[LuisDantas]

You just can't help but miss the point that changing evidence is not evidence at all.

That is not only a gross exageration, it also betrays a serious failure at understanding the very basics of the concept of science.

 

[painted wolf]

Science must never change... it must be like religion to be valid.
Creationism is true because it never changes.... no matter what the evidence says.

wa:do

 

[JustWondering2]

Science must never change... it must be like religion to be valid.
Creationism is true because it never changes.... no matter what the evidence says.

wa:do

Yeah what you said PW! Took the words right out of mouth!!

 

[JustWondering2]

It's amazing how that global flood orginized fossils in neat layer after layer without mixing all those poor humans of the world that were so unlucky to not be kin to Noah and his clan in with all of the other animal fossils? Also how would one flood create millions of layers of sediment? Also, and this should be obvious, if the whole earth was covered in water where did it all (water) run off to? The edge of a flat earth? LOL If you think a world wide flood happened and that there is enough water on earth to do that, you've watched Waterworld way too many time!! To do such a thing would take nearly 10 times the amount of water on, under and above the earth today to do such a thing!! Oh I know, the "Flintstones" was a documentary HUH?

 

[painted wolf]

Don't forget that no only are all those layers of sediment neatly laid down... but got layers of metamorphic and igneous rocks between them.... It was awfully nice of the flood to retreat long enough for a volcano to cover a particular area (and the critters there) with ash before sweeping back in to cover the area so Noah could float over it.

wa:do

 

[JustWondering2]

Yep. How nice for Noah that it happened that way! So I guess your saying that it took a lot longer than 100 days for the water to run off and all that volcanic stuff happened before it did. Wow that explains everything!! LOL

 

[Autodidact]

Don't forget that no only are all those layers of sediment neatly laid down... but got layers of metamorphic and igneous rocks between them.... It was awfully nice of the flood to retreat long enough for a volcano to cover a particular area (and the critters there) with ash before sweeping back in to cover the area so Noah could float over it.

wa:do

Didn't you now that in YEC world floods cause volcanoes? Also earthquakes.

 

[painted wolf]

I'm just curious how said volcanoes spread ash clouds underwater....

wa:do

 

[wilsoncole]

And apparently you reject both of them. Scientific method brought us the Theory of Evolution. No science, no evolution. Yes science, yes evolution. End of discussion.
As you wish.
Absolutely. Creationism and science are two different things, and you accept creationism, and reject science.
I really don't care what you do or don't believe. This thread is not about you; it's about the fossil record. Have you anything to say on the subject?

I told you what I believe so that you do not get sidetracked into trying to prove the folly of so-called "creationists" and applying them to me. Just to save you the time and effort.

I think so. You choose myth over science. So what is there to discuss? Science gives us evolution; myth gives us Biblical Creationism. I rely on science, and you rely on myth.

I do think you should junk your computer, though, just to be cricket.

You make a great deal about my use of computers while attempting to boost the pervasive use of science in their production.
Well - take a good look at the results of all that electronic technology you're so proud of:
Basel Action Network E-Waste Video

Watch the video all the way. It is important.
Google "Basel Action Network" and see for yourself how much damage is being done by this glorious bit of genius.
See what happens to your hard drive and that of so many governmental and educational institutions when they are shipped off to India, China and Nigeria, among other places who have men capable of gleaning all of the private information ever recorded about you and everything about all the people you know.

What a nightmare!
It all comes back down on you.

You cannot win in this science v. scripture scenario.

 

[outhouse]

It all comes back down on you.

no it doesnt its all lies and propaganda, and you believe it

cannot win in this science v. scripture scenario.

No you cannot

 

[Amill]

I told you what I believe so that you do not get sidetracked into trying to prove the folly of so-called "creationists" and applying them to me. Just to save you the time and effort.

I'd like to hear it again(I searched for it but couldn't find it). How exactly aren't you a creationist? I know you said creationism doesn't exist but it obviously does since it is a term that gets used(it's no different than saying "water" doesn't exist). It doesn't matter if it's a derogatory term or not, you still fit under the definition I would bet. Unless maybe you believe life has existed forever.

And I've seen "evolutionist" in your posts as well.

 

[Autodidact]

I told you what I believe so that you do not get sidetracked into trying to prove the folly of so-called "creationists" and applying them to me. Just to save you the time and effort.

You make a great deal about my use of computers while attempting to boost the pervasive use of science in their production.
Well - take a good look at the results of all that electronic technology you're so proud of:
Basel Action Network E-Waste Video

Watch the video all the way. It is important.
Google "Basel Action Network" and see for yourself how much damage is being done by this glorious bit of genius.
See what happens to your hard drive and that of so many governmental and educational institutions when they are shipped off to India, China and Nigeria, among other places who have men capable of gleaning all of the private information ever recorded about you and everything about all the people you know.

What a nightmare!
It all comes back down on you.

You cannot win in this science v. scripture scenario.

Do you see any irony in using a computer to type your message? Any at all?

 

[Autodidact]

I told you what I believe so that you do not get sidetracked into trying to prove the folly of so-called "creationists" and applying them to me. Just to save you the time and effort.

You make a great deal about my use of computers while attempting to boost the pervasive use of science in their production.
Well - take a good look at the results of all that electronic technology you're so proud of:
Basel Action Network E-Waste Video

Watch the video all the way. It is important.
Google "Basel Action Network" and see for yourself how much damage is being done by this glorious bit of genius.
See what happens to your hard drive and that of so many governmental and educational institutions when they are shipped off to India, China and Nigeria, among other places who have men capable of gleaning all of the private information ever recorded about you and everything about all the people you know.

What a nightmare!
It all comes back down on you.

You cannot win in this science v. scripture scenario.

I like you because you're honest. You reject science. At least you admit it. btw, do you reject science in all areas of your life? Medicine? Transportation? Hygiene? For example, if, heaven forbid, you were struck with appendicitis, would you rely solely on prayer, or might you resort to science? What if you needed to get to Sao Paulo, would you pray, or might you use an airplane?

How did you figure out whether the sun revolves around the earth, or vice versa? Or whether the moon was stuck in the sky for a sign? Are there windows in heaven that open to release the waters above? Or do you accept meteorology?

 

[wilsoncole]

no it doesnt its all lies and propaganda, and you believe it

The post was not directed to you, but you're dodging anyway.

Why shouldn't I believe it? Where's the lie? Set me straight here now - show me the truth.

Will you please try to deal with the toxic e-waste problem, a direct offspring of the marriage of science and business, now causing so much suffering and death?

How is science dealing with it?
What advice would you give them?

Materialistic pursuits have serious consequences.

How can it not fall right back down on you?

 

[wilsoncole]

I like you because you're honest. You reject science. At least you admit it. btw, do you reject science in all areas of your life? Medicine? Transportation? Hygiene? For example, if, heaven forbid, you were struck with appendicitis, would you rely solely on prayer, or might you resort to science? What if you needed to get to Sao Paulo, would you pray, or might you use an airplane?

How did you figure out whether the sun revolves around the earth, or vice versa? Or whether the moon was stuck in the sky for a sign? Are there windows in heaven that open to release the waters above? Or do you accept meteorology?

And you dance very well!
Your participation would go very well in the Maypole.

Your sarcasm and irrelevant ranting won't fix your dilemma.
Pointing out the adverse effect of certain scientific endeavors is a rejection of science? I won't even deal with all that because I can see your purpose in attempting to divert attention from the pressing problem that I brought to your attention.

I have the strongest feeling that you had no idea about this particular modern scourge. Take a good look at the high cost of "scientific progress!":
http://www.ban.org/BANreports/10-24-05/index.htm

Follow the links and see what I mean.

Now - show us how you would fix it. You trust them and they can't even wipe themselves right now.

How does such a mighty force deal with their own waste?

Will they ever be able to make it go away?

Where will it go to?

"Data Left on Hard Drives
While many people assume that recylers will clean their hard drives of data before sending them to re-use facilities, many of the hard drives recovered from computers in Lagos contained a great deal of confidential information, including personal correspondence, resumes, business correspondence, disciplinary letters."

At the cost of how many lives?

 

[Autodidact]

wilson: You're new here, so you're not familiar with our customs. Allow me to help you. It is our custom here to focus on the content of the post, rather than merely make rude comments about the person posting.

Now, would you be so kind as to answer my questions? Thank you.

 

[outhouse]

The post was not directed to you, but you're dodging anyway.

Why shouldn't I believe it? Where's the lie? Set me straight here now - show me the truth.

Will you please try to deal with the toxic e-waste problem, a direct offspring of the marriage of science and business, now causing so much suffering and death?

How is science dealing with it?
What advice would you give them?

Materialistic pursuits have serious consequences.

How can it not fall right back down on you?

YOUR COMPLETELY OFF TOPIC.

but

your little website only puts that old video out so they can get the e-waist buisiness instead of competitors.

Yes some country's live barbaric. without e-waist they would still be living in filth and pollution.

now causing so much suffering and death?

the suffering and death in those same filthy places hasnt changed much.

not sure how much of that gets out of the USA, its big money here to recycle. Here they show them drilling holes in hard drives.

What your seeing is illeagal activity most done by other countrys. You would have to show me theres a clear path . so far its just scare tactics.

DONT LIKE IT change the laws

 

[wilsoncole]

wilson: You're new here, so you're not familiar with our customs. Allow me to help you. It is our custom here to focus on the content of the post, rather than merely make rude comments about the person posting.

Now, would you be so kind as to answer my questions? Thank you.

What? You choose to duck MY questions and expect me to answer yours?
Ain't gonna happen.
You have not dealt with abiogenesis yet. So - how about it?