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What does the fossil record say?

Autodidact

Intentionally Blank
Look the thing is that discussions with either the educated or uneducated results in one research paper against another.

There are credentialed scientists, as previously discussed, as well as those very educated in the evolutionary fields that raise concerns in relation to TOE at varying levels.

Great. You should have no trouble then naming 100 living, working Biologists who reject ToE. We'll wait.
 

Autodidact

Intentionally Blank
Oh I love this crap. Someone has a shot at me for not using quote and I shoot back and you lot have a melt down. Go tell someone that cares!

While you're at it, go tell PW she doesn't know what she's on about.


Paluxy footprints!

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That's a good one! ha ha ha
 

newhope101

Active Member
Great. You should have no trouble then naming 100 living, working Biologists who reject ToE. We'll wait.


You are another one that has not got a clue about bird ancestry and can make no credible comment either, other than asides and degradation.

No Paintedwolf, you most certainly have not replied with a response, illustrating what bird ancestry you favour and why. You cannot, as you have no clue. The best you can do is pretend you did to save yourself embarrassment :eek:

In fact none of you have, nor are any prepared to have a shot. So you are all able to shove your crap down creationists throats as evidence. However you are unable to defend your own position, when it comes down to it. :slap:

Such are the defenders of the TOE faith. :areyoucra

Discovery Raises New Doubts About Dinosaur-bird Links
Bird-from-dinosaur theory of evolution challenged: Was it the other way around?http://au.wrs.yahoo.com/_ylt=A0S0zu...lo&sigb=12rj7gkbv&type=JPG&.crumb=k9niHOn9u9J
 

painted wolf

Grey Muzzle
Really? We've covered this in several threads... and even you mentioned that I brought up the non-avian theropod ancestors... and I've provided refutations several times to your links... and you don't think I've addressed your question?

Seriously...?

wa:do
 

Dirty Penguin

Master Of Ceremony
Such are the defenders of the TOE faith. :areyoucrahttp://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2010/02/100209183335.htm

Yea but the difference is Evolution works just fine without the fossil record. Additionally there's a big difference between Morphology and Evolution. They can work hand in hand as well as separate. I'm interested in your understanding as to why birds have the gene for making teeth but have never grown them. Personally I suspect it's due to certain dinosaurs lines evolving to become birds and the teeth gene is now inactive. What's your take on it? Why would a "creator" "design" birds with the gene for making teeth if birds are their "own kind" and have never needed teeth..?
 

newhope101

Active Member
Here we go again Paintedwolf. Seriously, do you not have anything better to do that peddle your nonsense. I am not referring to other threads. What you have not done is told us which bird ancestry you throw your hat behind and why. People here have seen you repeat your self on numerous occasions and this is not a problem for you when you actually have provided a response to any challenge, which you haven't in this case.

I can assure everyone that with Paintedwolf and my history, PW enjoys to shove it up me...and most certainly would have re quoted anything I missed. As one can see all she says now is that she has already answered but she certainly hasn't articulated her answer to this challenge, here or anywhere else. One of her replies was to paste up a shark or something as the best response she could provide pages and pages ago.

Your cohorts likewise, were they to read a reply from you to this question, would also shove it up me again and again. They didn't and haven't, why? Because there has been no answer from PW, as yet. PW will not want to back a side in case she is incorrect. The alternative is to back neither meaning, she is unable to discern a difference in the robustness of the evidence for either hypothesis.


You PW, cannot articulate a reply, and have not done so. Such is the nature of parrot fashion replies you generally provide, without understanding.

Looking from the outside in, it is like watching a circus. You PW, and your cohorts, do not care if birds came from dinos or from gliders. In fact you will roll with whatever you are told regardless of your lack of understanding of the science or evidence behind it.
 

Dirty Penguin

Master Of Ceremony
Here we go again Paintedwolf. Seriously, do you not have anything better to do that peddle your nonsense. I am not referring to other threads. What you have not done is told us which bird ancestry you throw your hat behind and why. People here have seen you repeat your self on numerous occasions and this is not a problem for you when you actually have provided a response to any challenge, which you haven't in this case.

I can assure everyone that with Paintedwolf and my history, PW enjoys to shove it up me...and most certainly would have re quoted anything I missed. As one can see all she says now is that she has already answered but she certainly hasn't articulated her answer to this challenge, here or anywhere else. One of her replies was to paste up a shark or something as the best response she could provide pages and pages ago.

Your cohorts likewise, were they to read a reply from you to this question, would also shove it up me again and again. They didn't and haven't, why? Because there has been no answer from PW, as yet. PW will not want to back a side in case she is incorrect. The alternative is to back neither meaning, she is unable to discern a difference in the robustness of the evidence for either hypothesis.


You PW, cannot articulate a reply, and have not done so. Such is the nature of parrot fashion replies you generally provide, without understanding.

Looking from the outside in, it is like watching a circus. You PW, and your cohorts, do not care if birds came from dinos or from gliders. In fact you will roll with whatever you are told regardless of your lack of understanding of the science or evidence behind it.

Well, don't speak for me because I believe she's made herself perfectly clear throughout this thread.
 

painted wolf

Grey Muzzle
Sorry Newhope, I'm not playing your games anymore. I've grown bored with endlessly repeating myself as you continue to ignore what I say and then claim "no one can respond".

And yes, several people have said that you are wrong about my not responding.... you seem to be ignoring them as well.

wa:do
 

newhope101

Active Member
Sorry Newhope, I'm not playing your games anymore. I've grown bored with endlessly repeating myself as you continue to ignore what I say and then claim "no one can respond".

And yes, several people have said that you are wrong about my not responding.... you seem to be ignoring them as well. ..and they have provide none of what you said or spoke all they are doing is covering your butt, as they, as well as you, cannot take any stand. So many loosers here!

wa:do


So there you have it. PW does not know how to defend her bird ancestry. Another throw off. So whenever she puts arch and her fossils up remind her she has really no idea if these fossils are evidence of anything other than an example of what belongs in the garbage bin of irrefuteable, delusional, evidence past.

Remember she is unable to defend her stance and that is all we need to know.
 
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outhouse

Atheistically
the fossils tell us some people are very ignorant to facts no matter how well they are presented. Some fail to learn no matter how good the teachers are.
 

newhope101

Active Member
The fact that no one has pointed to any stance shows no one has answered anything.

Do please show me where anything more than a shark picture has been offered as a stance in redress to the posted article.

It doesn't matter how many of you say otherwise. There has been no reply re a stance taken on bird ancestry, and your precious PW has not got a clue about this and neither have any of you others, as evidenced by the last pages and pages of nothing but denial and shame!

Discovery Raises New Doubts About Dinosaur-bird Links

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outhouse

Atheistically
the fossils tell us some people are very ignorant to facts no matter how well they are presented. Some fail to learn no matter how good the teachers are.

yes i agree, there are two people here that dont have a clue and fight reality on a daily basis and at every turn they are corrected for their daily mistakes
 

newhope101

Active Member
Again we see the lone Outhouse staging his stand on asides as usual.

OUTHOUSE is also unable to defend any bird ancestry and has not got a clue about this stuff just like PW and Autodidact, as can be evidence by his constant asides, and nothing more.

These are all people that post evidence that they are unable to defend like parrots, rattling off words without meaning.

Discovery Raises New Doubts About Dinosaur-bird Links
 
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Dirty Penguin

Master Of Ceremony
Again we see the lone Outhouse staging his stand on asides as usual.

OUTHOUSE is also unable to defend any bird ancestry and has not got a clue about this stuff just like PW and Autodidact, as can be evidence by his constant asides, and nothing more.

These are all people that post evidence that they are unable to defend like parrots, rattling off words without meaning.

Discovery Raises New Doubts About Dinosaur-bird Links


Again, questioning whether birds are from some lineages of dinosaurs or vice versa is not a new debate. It's been going on for years. If they didn't investigate or question their findings then no progress to understand the natural world even history would ever be made. You know....

This site presents both sides in a more fair manner Developmental Biology 9e Online: Did Birds Evolve from the Dinosaurs?. One thing these scientist have in common is while they disagree with the current understanding that birds came from dinosaurs they hold that they (share a common ancestor) and that it is unanimously agreed that they share reptilian traits. But arguing over morphology will get us nowhere.

The idea that some dinosaurs and modern day birds share a common ancestor seems exactly like what we know about humans. In this case I see nothing wrong by saying birds didn't evolve from dinos rather they share a common ancestor. The difference between you and me is you want it one way or the other and scientist just don't work this way.

Have you figured out yet why birds have the genes for making teeth considering your bible says they were created fully formed?
 
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