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What does the fossil record say?

All the phyla alive on earth today appears in the fossil record in the same geological time scale.

During the Cambrian though the representative of our own Phylum Chordata (the phylum of all the vertebrates we are familiar with) was a seasquirt-like animal, so yes there was a Chordate in the Cambrian but no Cambrian fishes, birds, etc..
 

David M

Well-Known Member
During the Cambrian though the representative of our own Phylum Chordata (the phylum of all the vertebrates we are familiar with) was a seasquirt-like animal, so yes there was a Chordate in the Cambrian but no Cambrian fishes, birds, etc..

Of course if the cambrian is supposed to validate the bible as literally true that would mean that we have found the biblical definition of kind. Its phylum.
 

Danmac

Well-Known Member
creationist take a beating in here due to the ignorance displayed, they all take a "I dont care" attitude and just throw stuff at the wall literally praying somthing sticks

all they have is unanswered prayers to live by

The man that has been painted green from birth thinks that green is normal. I can understand your confusion.
 

painted wolf

Grey Muzzle
During the Cambrian though the representative of our own Phylum Chordata (the phylum of all the vertebrates we are familiar with) was a seasquirt-like animal, so yes there was a Chordate in the Cambrian but no Cambrian fishes, birds, etc..
Actually they were more like Lancelets.

For example Pikaia:
pikaia.gif


Myllokunmingia
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The modern Lancelet (aka. amphioxus) the most basal living member of the Chordata.
lancelet.jpg

Behold the ancestor Creationists are ok with.

wa:do
 

wilsoncole

Active Member
The Bible says something about nuclear physics? That's interesting. What?
Scripture says:
"You yourself prepared the luminary, even the sun." (Psalm 74:16)
Nuclear reaction gives the sun its heat. This is not man-made. Whoever originated such sophisticated mechanisms certainly knows more than any nuclear phycisist.
Are you a PhD nuclear physicist?
God is. And every kind of "ologist" you can think of.
Why do you ask?
Indirectly, on fossils, we get this:
Wait, this is from the Bible? Or from a scientific treatise? Which?
It does mention “fossils,“ didn’t you notice?
Observe the word "indirectly?" I suppose you didn't notice the other indirect references I mentioned either.
Reminder:
The Bible says nothing about dropping napalm on villages nor smoking cigarettes. But, they are indirectly included among the harmful activities of men. Living by Bible principles including loving God and one's neighbor would eliminate these dangerous practices and their consequences. Do you agree?
If it's just Jehovah's Witness propaganda, save your keystrokes; we don't believe a word of it.

Not propaganda. That’s usually misleading.
One man’s truth is another man’s propaganda. How can you tell the difference without a reliable frame of reference?
Which is a good thing, since neither they nor anything else supports that hypothesis.

Wilson:
"Geological research provides clear evidence that the fossils held to be among the earliest specimens of a certain creature are very similar to their descendants alive today.”
Examples:
24 million years old (?)
http://www.ambericawest.com/spiders.html
http://www.ambericawest.com/millipede.html
http://www.fotosearch.com/photos-images/insects-amber.html
“Many insects found in Amber may be over 100 million years old…” (?)
http://www.collectorscorner.com.au/fossils/Ambermain.htm
In some cases. In others, they are dramatically different.
Wilson:
Cockroaches found among the supposed earliest fossil insects are virtually identical to modern ones.
Fossil "bridges" between "kinds" are totally lacking.
This is simply false.
Now your turn.
I would like you to show me fossil pictures of animals like the ones above, claimed to be 24 to 100 million years old, that are “dramatically different” from their present state.
what is a "kind?"
I already told you.
Wilson:
“The testimony of the fossils is in full accord with the Bible’s history of creation, which shows that Jehovah created the living things of the earth in great numbers and "according to their kinds" during the final creative days.—Ge 1:20-25.”
This is simply false.
Now let’s have your “scientific evidence” to the contrary.

(\__/)
( ‘ .‘ )
>(^)<

Wilson
 
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Dirty Penguin

Master Of Ceremony
'in the beginning'
literally true...the universe had a beginning

another example of a literally true interpretation is found in the fossil record. Up until the 1970's science was teaching that life evolved slowly on this planet over billions of years....but that is not the case as the fossil evidence shows quite the opposite and backs up the genesis account.
Genesis states that all sea creatures were created together in the same period.
“Let the waters swarm forth a swarm of living souls and let flying creatures fly over the earth upon the face of the expanse of the heavens.” 21 And God proceeded to create the great sea monsters and every living soul that moves about, which the waters swarmed forth according to their kinds, and every winged flying creature according to its kind.... a fifth day.

that is literally true according to the evidence of the Cambrian explosion... .and yet science continues to teach that life developed slowly after billions of years from the simplest forms to more complex forms. All the phyla alive on earth today appears in the fossil record in the same geological time scale....and whats worse for science is that the evidence of the cambrian explosion was gathered in 1909...it was hidden away by the then director of the Smithsonian institute because he didnt believe what he had found - it wasnt possible according to the scientific theory of the day.

Actually life does both on this planet. Species on this planet evolve fast and slow. Recent genomic study of chimp Y chromosome compared to human Y chromosome shows that a certain area of our chromosome is evolving faster than theirs. Additionally, due to our splitting from our common ancestor, we have evolved faster than our primate counter parts in the area of speech as well. Evolution is not a static situation but I'm not sure how you reconcile biblical accounts with Evolution. To some, a day according to your bible, is just a day and to others it can be a long period (epoch) of time. Who really knows considering the many, many interpretations from a book written by the hands of men at a time when they they lacked the understanding to describe the natural world around them....
 

outhouse

Atheistically
a book written by the hands of men at a time when they they lacked the understanding to describe the natural world around them....

Exactly,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, Man used his imagination to explain away all the things in which he did now know. gods and religions created by stealing myths from previous pagan cultures. The fiction is obvious.

whats funny is these uneducated ignorant creationist, ALL try picking apart evolution and ALL live in a glass house. They base the creation events on a god created 3000+ years ago by hebrews who wrote a book full of fiction [most storys stolen]. While this is fact and they throw BB's at a a solid stone house called evolution that will stand forever while there house crumbles around them.

I think when they take ignorant runs at evolution, we should take educated runs at the very book they call a accurate history and science book.
 

newhope101

Active Member
Scripture says:
"You yourself prepared the luminary, even the sun." (Psalm 74:16)
Nuclear reaction gives the sun its heat. This is not man-made. Whoever originated such sophisticated mechanisms certainly knows more than any nuclear phycisist.

God is. And every kind of "ologist" you can think of.
Why do you ask?
Indirectly, on fossils, we get this:

It does mention &#8220;fossils,&#8220; didn&#8217;t you notice?
Observe the word "indirectly?" I suppose you didn't notice the other indirect references I mentioned either.
Reminder:
The Bible says nothing about dropping napalm on villages nor smoking cigarettes. But, they are indirectly included among the harmful activities of men. Living by Bible principles including loving God and one's neighbor would eliminate these dangerous practices and their consequences. Do you agree?

Not propaganda. That&#8217;s usually misleading.
One man&#8217;s truth is another man&#8217;s propaganda. How can you tell the difference without a reliable frame of reference?

Wilson:
"Geological research provides clear evidence that the fossils held to be among the earliest specimens of a certain creature are very similar to their descendants alive today.&#8221;
Examples:
24 million years old (?)
http://www.ambericawest.com/spiders.html
http://www.ambericawest.com/millipede.html
http://www.fotosearch.com/photos-images/insects-amber.html
&#8220;Many insects found in Amber may be over 100 million years old&#8230;&#8221; (?)
http://www.collectorscorner.com.au/fossils/Ambermain.htm

Wilson:
Cockroaches found among the supposed earliest fossil insects are virtually identical to modern ones.
Fossil "bridges" between "kinds" are totally lacking.

Now your turn.
I would like you to show me fossil pictures of animals like the ones above, claimed to be 24 to 100 million years old, that are &#8220;dramatically different&#8221; from their present state.

I already told you.
Wilson:
&#8220;The testimony of the fossils is in full accord with the Bible&#8217;s history of creation, which shows that Jehovah created the living things of the earth in great numbers and "according to their kinds" during the final creative days.&#8212;Ge 1:20-25.&#8221;

Now let&#8217;s have your &#8220;scientific evidence&#8221; to the contrary.

(\__/)
( &#8216; .&#8216; )
>(^)<

Wilson


Well done. Great research. Yes of course many precambrain and cambrian life forms are still with us today showing little in kind variation. I suppose if one is an evolutionist one must concede that there is something within the genome that has stopped these from changing into another kind over time.

There is no evidence, other than theoretical, that one kind evolved into another kind at all. It is assummed, as evolution required this occurence to have taken place.

So the evidence is that multicelled life suddenly appears in the fossil record. The dating is modeled on the presumptions of ancestry and millions of years of evolution. Many fossils have not survived today.

One would expect that this point would be validated by evolutionists. Although there is no evidence of ancestry between the precambrian and cambrian this does not mean that this kind of fossil evidence is not there. It may still need to be found. It does mean that your point for the moment is established. I have also established this point previously. However many simply will not acknowledge the difference between evidence and hypothesis...so I wish you well.

Yes Pegg, the evidence is in line with biblical accounts of creation, without the need for additional theories.

The need to invent theories of accelerated evolution to explain the unexpected appears to be required to consolidare the evidence (fossils), in with Toe. However as creationists we can see there is no need for a plethora of hypthesis to explain the evidence into a creationists concept. The evidence for creation speaks for itself, as evidence should.

I
 
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newhope101

Active Member
Exactly,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, Man used his imagination to explain away all the things in which he did now know. gods and religions created by stealing myths from previous pagan cultures. The fiction is obvious.

whats funny is these uneducated ignorant creationist, ALL try picking apart evolution and ALL live in a glass house. They base the creation events on a god created 3000+ years ago by hebrews who wrote a book full of fiction [most storys stolen]. While this is fact and they throw BB's at a a solid stone house called evolution that will stand forever while there house crumbles around them.

I think when they take ignorant runs at evolution, we should take educated runs at the very book they call a accurate history and science book.

Creationists do not need to debate evolutionary researchers or evos. Those that support out of Africa as opposed to other models do a great job of discrediting each others work without us.

Was Israel the Birthplace of Modern Humans?
ScienceDaily (Dec. 31, 2010) &#8212; It has long been believed that modern humans emerged from the continent of Africa 200,000 years ago. Now Tel Aviv University archaeologists have uncovered evidence that Homo sapiens roamed the land now called Israel as early as 400,000 years ago -- the earliest evidence for the existence of modern humans anywhere in the world.

The findings were discovered in the Qesem Cave, a pre-historic site located near Rosh Ha'ayin that was first excavated in 2000. Prof. Avi Gopher and Dr. Ran Barkai of Tel Aviv University's Department of Archaeology, who run the excavations, and Prof. Israel Hershkowitz of the university's Department of Anatomy and Anthropology and Sackler School of Medicine, together with an international team of scientists, performed a morphological analysis on eight human teeth found in the Qesem Cave.

This analysis, which included CT scans and X-rays, indicates that the size and shape of the teeth are very similar to those of modern humans. The teeth found in the Qesem Cave are very similar to other evidence of modern humans from Israel, dated to around 100,000 years ago, discovered in the Skhul Cave in the Carmel and Qafzeh Cave in the Lower Galilee near Nazareth. The results of the researchers' findings are being published in the American Journal of Physical Anthropology.

Reading the past
Qesem Cave is dated to a period between 400,000 and 200,000 years ago, and archaeologists working there believe that the findings indicate significant evolution in the behavior of ancient humans. This period of time was crucial in the history of humankind from cultural and biological perspectives. The teeth that are being studied indicate that these changes are apparently related to evolutionary changes taking place at that time.

Prof. Gopher and Dr. Barkai noted that the findings related to the culture of those who dwelled in the Qesem Cave -- including the systematic production of flint blades; the regular use of fire; evidence of hunting, cutting and sharing of animal meat; mining raw materials to produce flint tools from subsurface sources -- reinforce the hypothesis that this was, in fact, innovative and pioneering behavior that may correspond with the appearance of modern humans.

An unprecedented discovery
According to researchers, the discoveries made in the Qesem Cave may overturn the theory that modern humans originated on the continent of Africa. In recent years, archaeological evidence and human skeletons found in Spain and China also undermined this proposition, but the Qesem Cave findings because of their early age is an unprecedented discovery.

Excavations at Qesem Cave continue and the researchers hope to uncover additional finds that will enable them to confirm the findings published up to now and to enhance our understanding of the evolution of humankind -- especially the emergence of modern man.

Journal Reference:
Israel Hershkovitz, Patricia Smith, Rachel Sarig, Rolf Quam, Laura Rodríguez, Rebeca García, Juan Luis Arsuaga, Ran Barkai, Avi Gopher. Middle pleistocene dental remains from Qesem Cave (Israel). American Journal of Physical Anthropology, 2010; DOI: 10.1002/ajpa.21446



So now homo sapiens are found 400,000ya in Israel. Did Ardi's mates swim over there? Maybe chimp man made a boat and that will save out of Africa theory.

Regardless, this research is in support of biblical accounts of the creation of mankind.
 

outhouse

Atheistically
creationists do not need to debate evolutionary researchers or evos. Those that support out of africa as opposed to other models do a great job of discrediting each others work without us.


sciencedaily (dec. 31, 2010) &#8212; it has long been believed that modern humans emerged from the continent of africa 200,000 years ago. Now tel aviv university archaeologists have uncovered evidence that homo sapiens roamed the land now called israel as early as 400,000 years ago -- the earliest evidence for the existence of modern humans anywhere in the world.

the findings were discovered in the qesem cave, a pre-historic site located near rosh ha'ayin that was first excavated in 2000. Prof. Avi gopher and dr. Ran barkai of tel aviv university's department of archaeology, who run the excavations, and prof. Israel hershkowitz of the university's department of anatomy and anthropology and sackler school of medicine, together with an international team of scientists, performed a morphological analysis on eight human teeth found in the qesem cave.

this analysis, which included ct scans and x-rays, indicates that the size and shape of the teeth are very similar to those of modern humans. The teeth found in the qesem cave are very similar to other evidence of modern humans from israel, dated to around 100,000 years ago, discovered in the skhul cave in the carmel and qafzeh cave in the lower galilee near nazareth. The results of the researchers' findings are being published in the american journal of physical anthropology.

reading the past
qesem cave is dated to a period between 400,000 and 200,000 years ago, and archaeologists working there believe that the findings indicate significant evolution in the behavior of ancient humans. This period of time was crucial in the history of humankind from cultural and biological perspectives. The teeth that are being studied indicate that these changes are apparently related to evolutionary changes taking place at that time.

prof. Gopher and dr. Barkai noted that the findings related to the culture of those who dwelled in the qesem cave -- including the systematic production of flint blades; the regular use of fire; evidence of hunting, cutting and sharing of animal meat; mining raw materials to produce flint tools from subsurface sources -- reinforce the hypothesis that this was, in fact, innovative and pioneering behavior that may correspond with the appearance of modern humans.

an unprecedented discovery
according to researchers, the discoveries made in the qesem cave may overturn the theory that modern humans originated on the continent of africa. In recent years, archaeological evidence and human skeletons found in spain and china also undermined this proposition, but the qesem cave findings because of their early age is an unprecedented discovery.

excavations at qesem cave continue and the researchers hope to uncover additional finds that will enable them to confirm the findings published up to now and to enhance our understanding of the evolution of humankind -- especially the emergence of modern man.

journal reference:
israel hershkovitz, patricia smith, rachel sarig, rolf quam, laura rodríguez, rebeca garcía, juan luis arsuaga, ran barkai, avi gopher. middle pleistocene dental remains from qesem cave (israel). American journal of physical anthropology, 2010; doi: 10.1002/ajpa.21446



so now homo sapiens are found 400,000ya in israel. Did ardi's mates swim over there? Maybe chimp man made a boat and that will save out of africa theory.

regardless, this research is in support of biblical accounts of the creation of mankind.


to bad the teeth have not been found to be homo sapiens.

this has all been covered in another thread and the media is blowing this out of porportion. Not the scientist


once again you dont know what your talking about
 

newhope101

Active Member
During the Cambrian though the representative of our own Phylum Chordata (the phylum of all the vertebrates we are familiar with) was a seasquirt-like animal, so yes there was a Chordate in the Cambrian but no Cambrian fishes, birds, etc..


Wiki Origin of birds.
Skeleton
Because feathers are often associated with birds, feathered dinosaurs are often touted as the missing link between birds and dinosaurs. However, the multiple skeletal features also shared by the two groups represent the more important link for paleontologists. Furthermore, it is increasingly clear that the relationship between birds and dinosaurs, and the evolution of flight, are more complex topics than previously realized. For example, while it was once believed that birds evolved within dinosaurs in one linear progression, some scientists, most notably Gregory S. Paul, conclude that dinosaurs such as the dromaeosaurs may have evolved within birds, losing the power of flight while keeping their feathers in a manner similar to the modern ostrich and other ratites.

Comparisons of bird and dinosaur skeletons, as well as cladistic analysis, strengthens the case for the link, particularly for a branch of theropods called maniraptors. Skeletal similarities include the neck, pubis, wrist (semi-lunate carpal), arm and pectoral girdle, shoulder blade, clavicle, and breast bone.


Wiki: Prehistoric fish refers to early fish that are known only from fossil records. They are the earliest known vertebrates, and include the first and extinct fish that lived through the Cambrian to the Tertiary. The study of prehistoric fish is called paleoichthyology. A few living forms, such as the coelacanth are also referred to as prehistoric fish, or even living fossils, due to their current rarity and similarity to extinct forms. Fish which have become recently extinct are not usually referred to as prehistoric fish.

Apparently there were fish during the cambrian, so this appears to be incorrect information,

Also it appears that researchers are fairly confused about Aves. Modern birds form a clade, as a creationist would expect. There has recently been a huge revamp of Aves and some surprises. I have posted this research previously. Perhaps you have yet to find a cambrian bird.
 

newhope101

Active Member
to bad the teeth have not been found to be homo sapiens.

this has all been covered in another thread and the media is blowing this out of porportion. Not the scientist


once again you dont know what your talking about

So put up the refute. I have no doubt that there is a refute. What are are illustrating is that researchers rarely know what they are on about themselves.

Suck this one up!

'Missing Link' Fossil Was Not Human Ancestor as Claimed, Anthropologists Say

ScienceDaily (Mar. 3, 2010) — A fossil that was celebrated last year as a possible "missing link" between humans and early primates is actually a forebearer of modern-day lemurs and lorises, according to two papers by scientists at The University of Texas at Austin, Duke University and the University of Chicago.
online in the Journal of Human Evolution, four scientists present evidence that the 47-million-year-old Darwinius masillae is not a haplorhine primate like humans, apes and monkeys, as the 2009 research claimed.
They also note that the article on Darwinius published last year in the journal PLoS ONE ignores two decades of published research showing that similar fossils are actually strepsirrhines, the primate group that includes lemurs and lorises.
"Many lines of evidence indicate that Darwinius has nothing at all to do with human evolution," says Chris Kirk, associate professor of anthropology at The University of Texas at Austin. "Every year, scientists describe new fossils that contribute to our understanding of primate evolution. What's amazing about Darwinius is, despite the fact that it's nearly complete, it tells us very little that we didn't already know from fossils of closely related species."
His co-authors are anthropologists Blythe Williams and Richard Kay of Duke and evolutionary biologist Callum Ross of the University of Chicago. Williams, Kay and Kirk also collaborated on a related article about to be published in the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences that reviews the early fossil record and anatomical features of anthropoids -- the primate group that includes monkeys, apes, and humans.
Last spring's much-publicized article on Darwinius was released in conjunction with a book, a History Channel documentary, and an exhibit in the American Museum of Natural History. At a news conference attended by New York Mayor Michael Bloomberg, the authors unveiled the nearly complete fossil of a nine-month-old female primate that had been found at the site of Messel in Germany.
But other anthropologists were immediately skeptical of the conclusions and began writing the responses that are being published this month.
"Just because it's a complete and well-preserved fossil doesn't mean it's going to overthrow all our ideas," says Williams, the lead author. "There's this enormous body of literature that has built up over the years. The Darwinius research completely ignored that body of literature."
That literature centers on the evolution of primates, which include haplorhines (apes, monkeys, humans, tarsiers) and strepsirrhines (lemurs, lorises). The two groups split from each other nearly 70 million years ago.
The fossil group to which Darwinius belongs -- the adapiforms -- have been known since the early 1800s and includes dozens of primate species represented by thousands of fossils recovered in North America, Europe, Asia and Africa. Some adapiforms, like North American Notharctus, are known from nearly complete skeletons like that of Darwinius. Most analyses of primate evolution over the past two decades have concluded that adapiforms are strepsirrhines, and not direct ancestors of modern humans.
The most recent such analysis, published last year in the journal Nature, concluded that Darwinius is an early strepsirrhine and a close relative of the 39-million-year- old primate Mahgarita stevensi from West Texas.
Nevertheless, the scientists who last year formally described Darwinius concluded that it was an early haplorhine, and even suggested that Darwinius and other adapiform fossils "could represent a stem group from which later anthropoid primates evolved."
For example, they note that Darwinius has a short snout and a deep jaw -- two features that are found in monkeys, apes, and humans.
However, Kirk, Williams and their colleagues point out that short snouts and deep jaws are known to have evolved multiple times among primates, including several times within the lemur/loris lineage. They further argue that Darwinius lacks most of the key anatomical features that could demonstrate a close evolutionary relationship with living haplorhines (apes, monkeys, humans, and tarsiers).
For instance, haplorhines have a middle ear with two chambers and a plate of bone that shields the eyes from the chewing muscles.
"There is no evidence that Darwinius shared these features with living haplorhines," says Kirk. "And if you can't even make that case, you can forget about Darwinius being a close relative of humans or other anthropoids."

Story Source:
The above story is reprinted (with editorial adaptations by ScienceDaily staff) from materials provided by University of Texas at Austin, via EurekAlert!, a service of AAAS.​


This is the state of Toe in general. I know, I know, I know....the mess is more proof of Toe. Good one!
 

Alceste

Vagabond
to bad the teeth have not been found to be homo sapiens.

this has all been covered in another thread and the media is blowing this out of porportion. Not the scientist


once again you dont know what your talking about

Interesting how "200,000 to 400,000" from NewHope's own source was suddenly transformed into "400,000" in her conclusion. I suppose that was necessary because if it's only 200,000, the current opinion that the first migration out of Africa happened 200,000 years ago isn't in question.

It must be exhausting to constantly need to misinterpret, fail to understand and / or misrepresent your own evidence. It exhausts me, anyway, watching it.
 

outhouse

Atheistically
Interesting how "200,000 to 400,000" from NewHope's own source was suddenly transformed into "400,000" in her conclusion. I suppose that was necessary because if it's only 200,000, the current opinion that the first migration out of Africa happened 200,000 years ago isn't in question.

It must be exhausting to constantly need to misinterpret, fail to understand and / or misrepresent your own evidence. It exhausts me, anyway, watching it.


just another case of "HoMP" trying to throw stones at the pyramids in hope it will crumble
 

outhouse

Atheistically
'Missing Link' Fossil Was Not Human Ancestor as Claimed, Anthropologists Say

ToE was or is not up for debate

missing pieces of different species are up for debate and will be dabated by scientist to insure proper placement in the tree.

this arguement does nothing to disprove or diminish ToE

again you really need a real education and you ignorance is outstanding!


tell us more about HoMP that is more up your alley and imagination is what your really good at
 

LuisDantas

Aura of atheification
Premium Member
Interesting how "200,000 to 400,000" from NewHope's own source was suddenly transformed into "400,000" in her conclusion. I suppose that was necessary because if it's only 200,000, the current opinion that the first migration out of Africa happened 200,000 years ago isn't in question.

It must be exhausting to constantly need to misinterpret, fail to understand and / or misrepresent your own evidence. It exhausts me, anyway, watching it.

From what I can deduce of NewHope's thought patterns and goals, she seems to be assuming that her Old Earth Creationism must be correct until and unless something that she utterly fails to spin out of sight disproves it.

Of course, she still fails at that, but apparently she failed to accept that as well.
 

painted wolf

Grey Muzzle
Actually fish in the Cambrian is based on the assumption that Haikouicthys is a fish... this is one of those "maybe" things you hate so much.
Haikouichthys had a defined skull and other characteristics that have led paleontologists to label it a true craniate, and even to be popularly characterized as one of the earliest fish,[1] but it does not possess sufficient features to be included uncontroversially even in the stem group.[2]
Haikouichthys - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

If Haikouicthys is a fish then you accept a very liberal definition of fish.

Greg Paul has not provided any satisfactory evidence to support his views. But he admits he likes to get people thinking in different ways and it helps him sell books. Many of which I've read and enjoyed. :cool:

It's also funny that you latch onto these as yet unproven teeth.... The DNA analysis is not done yet, they may in fact be closer to Neanderthals than us. Even if they are H.sapiens that doesn't mean that is where the species originated... we have a tendency to travel.
And where is the Middle East next to? ...Africa.... no boats needed.

As for your joke about Ardi... you clearly have not been paying attention to the dates at all. 400,000 years is about the date of the Human/Neanderthal split.... so even the date isn't all that Earth shattering.

wa:do
 
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