McBell
Unbound
Nice try.
But you made the claim, YOU do the homework.
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What evidence for God
- Thread starter nonbeliever_92
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But you made the claim, YOU do the homework.
Vendetta
"Oscar the grouch"
Not necessarily. If God is simply the creator then we disassociate the idea that God is also personal. Like a craftsman who creates supplies and lacks care whether its snowing or raining outside. If we say God is personal and cares for creation then we narrow down what God is and run into problems.
lunamoth
Will to love
One word: Chocolate
The Neo Nerd
Well-Known Member
HAHAHAHA yeah the skirt smoothing and braid pulling fixation was a little weird.
Orias
Left Hand Path
Every action leads to another, every motion leads to another. All things that create, demiurge, can be tied in with existence.
Which means God can be narrowed down to what He is, in an ambiguous and vague manner. Simply put it, everything.
It's not like I'm saying, "Oh, God doesn't like the color black". That's Christian crap.
Orias
Left Hand Path
Can you provide an example?
So then what leads you to think that theories are any more factual based than the existence of something beyond us?
Apply poor investigative standards of the religion to science? What?
Religion is science. The sooner you figure that out, the more efficient science will be.
Your right, great efforts are made to minimise the influence of bias other than that of science based logic. Science is just as dogmatic as the Pope.
Of course.
It's ineffective for people who just expect "God" to perform for them, instead of them solving and attempting an issue themselves.
Wishy washy nonesense? I assure you that there is people out there who think differently than you, and have their own ways of explaining everything.
Your right, human fabricated numbers and theories are way less imaginative than a God who doesn't exist as an entity and without supernatural powers.
People use the scientific method to figure out what?
It's insulting to understand human psychology?
Good thing I'm not religious.
But again, skeptics don't see religion as generally ridiculous, narrow minded people do. People who are curious about something generally tend to care to understand it more, rather than to excuse it as utter nonesense.
You can take the label of "skeptic" upon you, but that is just a facade. Atheism isn't "nuetral" skepticism, it's predenial.
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Commoner
Headache
Kilgore Trout
Misanthropic Humanist
Well, except when it's a rational conclusion resulting from skepticism - like most of the time.
If you're just going to resort to special pleading, insults and nonsense claims then there is little point in continuing.
Orias
Left Hand Path
In the same way that pink bunnies play basketball. You know, in the "not at all" way.
Do you need the definition of science?
The purpose of religion matches this perfectly.
People only seem to do that when they know a little about what they take unto themselves then.
Your right, if your not going to direct my points like a mature person then there is no point in continuing.
Special pleading? Insults? I haven't done any of these, they just sound like poor excuses for someone who can justify their position.
If you feel this is incorrect, then actually read my posts and answer my questions instead of assuming that I am insulting you.
Commoner
Headache
The purpose of religion is to "build and organize knowledge in the form of testable explanations and predictions about the world"? I think not.
nonbeliever_92
Well-Known Member
Oh really?
sci·ence
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Show IPAnoun 1. a branch of knowledge or study dealing with a body of facts or truths systematically arranged and showing the operation of general laws: the mathematical sciences.
2. systematic knowledge of the physical or material world gained through observation and experimentation.
3. any of the branches of natural or physical science.
4. systematized knowledge in general.
5. knowledge, as of facts or principles; knowledge gained by systematic study.
6. a particular branch of knowledge.
7. skill, especially reflecting a precise application of facts or principles; proficiency.
science (ˈsaɪəns)
n 1. the systematic study of the nature and behaviour of the material and physical universe, based on observation, experiment, and measurement, and the formulation of laws to describe these facts in general terms 2. the knowledge so obtained or the practice of obtaining it 3. any particular branch of this knowledge: the pure and applied sciences 4. any body of knowledge organized in a systematic manner 5. skill or technique 6. archaic knowledge [C14: via Old French from Latin scientia knowledge, from scīre to know] Now which one does religion fall under again?
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nonbeliever_92
Well-Known Member
For good measure:
re·li·gion
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noun 1. a set of beliefs concerning the cause, nature, and purpose of the universe, especially when considered as the creation of a superhuman agency or agencies, usually involving devotional and ritual observances, and often containing a moral code governing the conduct of human affairs.
2. a specific fundamental set of beliefs and practices generally agreed upon by a number of persons or sects: the Christian religion; the Buddhist religion.
3. the body of persons adhering to a particular set of beliefs and practices: a world council of religions.
4. the life or state of a monk, nun, etc.: to enter religion.
5. the practice of religious beliefs; ritual observance of faith.
6. something one believes in and follows devotedly; a point or matter of ethics or conscience: to make a religion of fighting prejudice.
7. religions, Archaic . religious rites.
8. Archaic . strict faithfulness; devotion: a religion to one's vow.
Idiom 9. get religion, Informal . a. to acquire a deep conviction of the validity of religious beliefs and practices.
b. to resolve to mend one's errant ways: The company got religion and stopped making dangerous products.
re·li·gion
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Show Spelled[ri-lij-uh
Show IPA noun 1. a set of beliefs concerning the cause, nature, and purpose of the universe, especially when considered as the creation of a superhuman agency or agencies, usually involving devotional and ritual observances, and often containing a moral code governing the conduct of human affairs.
2. a specific fundamental set of beliefs and practices generally agreed upon by a number of persons or sects: the Christian religion; the Buddhist religion.
3. the body of persons adhering to a particular set of beliefs and practices: a world council of religions.
4. the life or state of a monk, nun, etc.: to enter religion.
5. the practice of religious beliefs; ritual observance of faith.
6. something one believes in and follows devotedly; a point or matter of ethics or conscience: to make a religion of fighting prejudice.
7. religions, Archaic . religious rites.
8. Archaic . strict faithfulness; devotion: a religion to one's vow.
Idiom 9. get religion, Informal . a. to acquire a deep conviction of the validity of religious beliefs and practices.
b. to resolve to mend one's errant ways: The company got religion and stopped making dangerous products.
Oh yes you have
Special pleading - "Though, unicorns and fairies were meant to exist as separate fantastical entites, God can exist without being considered "supernatural" and an "entity", yet a certain faith is still required to consume this thought, and many (not all) people are not able to fathom something greater than themselves"
God is a supernatural entity and it cannot be exempt from being treated as any other supernatural entity because its inconvenient. To expect otherwise is special pleading and as you've rightly pointed out this isn't a good thing to do.
Insults - "But again, skeptics don't see religion as generally ridiculous, narrow minded people do" and "many (not all) people are not able to fathom something greater than themselves"
You've unfairly labelled myself and those who hold a similar position to mine as narrow minded and small minded because our skepticism of religious claims and beilefs. You are unable to differentiate between skepticism and narrow-mindedness. To be skeptical is to question claims, to be narrow minded is to refuse to consider anything but that which you already believe. Clearly I'm willing to question religious claims rather than flat out ignore them. I take offence at the accusation that I'm incapable of understanding anything greater than myself, moreso because you're applied that accusation in response to my unwillngness to embrace nonsense claims which I understand but find greately implausable.
Nonesense - "So then what leads you to think that theories are any more factual based than the existence of something beyond us?"
Why do you think that scientific theories are more factual than supernatural claims? If you have a basic understanding of science then you would be able to answer the question yourself. The reason is that science tests itself again real results collected under controlled conditions to verify its claims. Supernatural claims just assume the are right.
Special pleading - "Though, unicorns and fairies were meant to exist as separate fantastical entites, God can exist without being considered "supernatural" and an "entity", yet a certain faith is still required to consume this thought, and many (not all) people are not able to fathom something greater than themselves"
God is a supernatural entity and it cannot be exempt from being treated as any other supernatural entity because its inconvenient. To expect otherwise is special pleading and as you've rightly pointed out this isn't a good thing to do.
Insults - "But again, skeptics don't see religion as generally ridiculous, narrow minded people do" and "many (not all) people are not able to fathom something greater than themselves"
You've unfairly labelled myself and those who hold a similar position to mine as narrow minded and small minded because our skepticism of religious claims and beilefs. You are unable to differentiate between skepticism and narrow-mindedness. To be skeptical is to question claims, to be narrow minded is to refuse to consider anything but that which you already believe. Clearly I'm willing to question religious claims rather than flat out ignore them. I take offence at the accusation that I'm incapable of understanding anything greater than myself, moreso because you're applied that accusation in response to my unwillngness to embrace nonsense claims which I understand but find greately implausable.
Nonesense - "So then what leads you to think that theories are any more factual based than the existence of something beyond us?"
Why do you think that scientific theories are more factual than supernatural claims? If you have a basic understanding of science then you would be able to answer the question yourself. The reason is that science tests itself again real results collected under controlled conditions to verify its claims. Supernatural claims just assume the are right.
nonbeliever_92
Well-Known Member
To be fair, I do the same thing, but only because I AM right. ALL.THE.TIME.
The Neo Nerd
Well-Known Member
I do.
Vendetta
"Oscar the grouch"
waitasec
Veteran Member
Ben Masada
Well-Known Member
Once Mark Twain was asked for an evidence of God. He answered and sad: The Jews. Now, you figure what he meant by that.