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What Exactly Does it Mean "I Am"?

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I don't know if my own pan-en-theistic Brahman-inspired theology is just riddling with my interpretation here. But am I correct in this understanding of what God means by "I Am"?

I Am is used generally, there isn't a "You are what?" as I Am = I Am All That Exists. The One Thing. He is (and thus anything else isn't)

Or am I overthinking it, and God just wanted to not say "God"

Actually, I'm thinking it only applies to Jesus the Christ and not God but I'm not going to bother...
 

jewscout

Religious Zionist
The Hebrew in Exodus 3:14 is : אֶהְיֶה אֲשֶׁר אֶהְיֶה

It is often translated as "I am that I am", but אֶהְיֶה can also be translated as "I Shall Be", as pointed out by Rashi, an eleventh century rabbinical commentator.

Artscroll's Stone Edition Chumash translates the phrase as "I Shall Be As I Shall Be", noting in the Midrash (stories and explanations on the biblical text) that this workd describes G-d as timeless and Eternal
 

savagewind

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I Am that I Am - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

God is above time and space. So God calling God's Self I Am means God is done being. Humans should be constantly changing. Then they die and who they are when they die is who they will have been. God doesn't change and doesn't die so God exists as The I AM.

The Jehovah's Witnesses teach I am that I am means God will become anything needed to accomplish his will. I think that better describes the satan though.
 

Cureus

Member
Alternatively I am is just an introduction. To everyone here I am Cureus like you are... but I was uncomfortable choosing a name. The best people to introduce one is ones birth parents and their ancestors. From thereon, one is what one makes of oneself.
 

Simplelogic

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My good friend Scott Nelson deals with this issue in an interesting way:

Scott Nelson-

"As far back as I can remember, I heard in Sunday-school, church services, and Bible studies that one of God's names is "I Am". This assumption has been driven home over and over again in Biblical documentaries and even popular movies... like The Ten Commandments. The belief that one of God's names is "I Am" is firmly entrenched in both Judaism and Christianity. The average Christian and Jew doesn't realize that there is only one place in the Bible where it appears that YHWH called Himself "I Am". It is in the scene of Moses and the burning bush. God told Moses to take off his shoes, and then He introduced Himself to Moses.

Then Moses said, "I will now turn aside and see this great sight, why the bush does not burn." So when YHWH saw that he turned aside to look, He called to him from the midst of the bush and said, "Moses, Moses!" And he said, "Here I am." Then He said, "Do not draw near this place. Take your sandals off your feet, for the place where you stand is holy ground." Moreover He said, "I am the God of your fathers-the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob." And Moses hid his face, for he was afraid to look upon God. Exodus 3:3-6

God then tells Moses that He wants him to go to Egypt and bring His people out of bondage. Then Moses speaks and says,

"Indeed, when I come to the children of Israel and say to them, 'The God of your fathers has sent me to you,' and they say to me, 'What is His name?' what shall I say to them?" And God said to Moses, "I Am Who I Am." And He said, "Thus you shall say to the children of Israel, "I Am has sent me to you.'" Exodus 3:13,14

When someone is trying to prove that "I Am" is one of God's names, they seldom (if ever) continue reading the text. God goes on to say these words,

Moreover God said to Moses, "Thus you shall say to the children of Israel: YHVH God of your fathers, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob, has sent me to you. This is My name forever, and this is my memorial to all generations." Exodus 3:15

A little later in the same scene, God says these words,

"that they may believe that YHVH God of their fathers, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob, has appeared to you." Exodus 4:5

Nowhere else in this scene does God ever call Himself, "I Am". In fact, nowhere else in the Bible is God referred to as I Am. Moses never does record that he went to the children of Israel and said, "I Am has sent me to you". But over and over again it is recorded that others referred to God as, "the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob." The notion that God had called Himself I Am is the product of a simple misunderstanding that has become a kind of superstitious part of the collective Christian (as well as Jewish) soul... similar to the way the name "Jesus" has become a part of the Christian soul. (If you are not aware of how far off this is, please see the article; How the name Yahshua became Jesus.) What YHVH meant when He appeared to have called Himself I Am is this amplified version of the conversation:

Then Moss said to God, "Indeed, when I come to the children of Israel and say to them, 'The God of your fathers has sent me to you,' and they say to me, 'What is His name?' what shall I say to them?" And God said to Moses, "I am Who I am! We've already determined that I am the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob." And He said , "And this that We've determined is what you shall say to the children of Israel... concerning Who I am that has 'sent me to you'." ..."Thus you shall say to the children of Israel: 'YHVH God of your fathers, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob, has sent me to you. This is My name forever, and this is my memorial to all generations."

No, I Am never was one of God's names. God could not have been more specific or emphatic about how He wanted to be known to Israel."
 
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rusra02

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I don't know if my own pan-en-theistic Brahman-inspired theology is just riddling with my interpretation here. But am I correct in this understanding of what God means by "I Am"?

I Am is used generally, there isn't a "You are what?" as I Am = I Am All That Exists. The One Thing. He is (and thus anything else isn't)

Or am I overthinking it, and God just wanted to not say "God"

Actually, I'm thinking it only applies to Jesus the Christ and not God but I'm not going to bother...

I believe this quote explains it nicely:"Therefore, the meaning of the name Jehovah is not limited to the related verb found at Exodus 3:14, which reads: “I Will Become What I Choose to Become” or, “I Will Prove to Be What I Will Prove to Be.” In the strictest sense, those words do not fully define God’s name. Rather, they reveal an aspect of God’s personality, showing that he becomes what is needed in each circumstance to fulfill his purpose. So while the name Jehovah may include this idea, it is not limited to what he himself chooses to become. It also includes what he causes to happen with regard to his creation and the accomplishment of his purpose." (Revised NWT appendix A4)
It doe not apply to Jesus.
 

savagewind

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Premium Member
I believe this quote explains it nicely:"Therefore, the meaning of the name Jehovah is not limited to the related verb found at Exodus 3:14, which reads: “I Will Become What I Choose to Become” or, “I Will Prove to Be What I Will Prove to Be.” In the strictest sense, those words do not fully define God’s name. Rather, they reveal an aspect of God’s personality, showing that he becomes what is needed in each circumstance to fulfill his purpose. So while the name Jehovah may include this idea, it is not limited to what he himself chooses to become. It also includes what he causes to happen with regard to his creation and the accomplishment of his purpose." (Revised NWT appendix A4)
It doe not apply to Jesus.

"I am Jehovah. I have not changed" Jeremiah 29:11

Every good and perfect gift is from above, coming down from the Father of the heavenly lights, who does not change like shifting shadows. James 1:17

But you remain the same, and your years will never end. Psalm 102:27

Please, how is "becoming what is needed" not change?
 

rusra02

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"I am Jehovah. I have not changed" Jeremiah 29:11

Every good and perfect gift is from above, coming down from the Father of the heavenly lights, who does not change like shifting shadows. James 1:17

But you remain the same, and your years will never end. Psalm 102:27

Please, how is "becoming what is needed" not change?

Jehovah does not change his personality, standards, and purposes. In order to fulfill his will and purpose, however, he can take on any role and become what he needs to become; Lawgiver, Judge, Deliverer, Warrior, and more. For example, a wife and mother can become a cook, chauffeur, teacher, nurse, etc. to care for her family. She does not become a different person, but assumes different roles as she cares for her family. I believe Jehovah can and does become whatever is necessary to completely carry out his purpose.
 

savagewind

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Jehovah does not change his personality, standards, and purposes. In order to fulfill his will and purpose, however, he can take on any role and become what he needs to become; Lawgiver, Judge, Deliverer, Warrior, and more. For example, a wife and mother can become a cook, chauffeur, teacher, nurse, etc. to care for her family. She does not become a different person, but assumes different roles as she cares for her family. I believe Jehovah can and does become whatever is necessary to completely carry out his purpose.

OK. I understand. The word "become" is wrong. Jehovah IS whatever is necessary.

When I drive my kids around I do not "become" the chauffeur. I am the chauffeur.
 

savagewind

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This is what you say
Rather, they reveal an aspect of God’s personality, showing that he becomes what is needed in each circumstance to fulfill his purpose.
But I think The Truth is this:

The Word God is called reveals an aspect of God’s personality, showing the fact that God IS God's purpose.
 

Willamena

Just me
Premium Member
I am the world.

This stands in contrast to USA's for Africa "We Are The World." Totally different.
 

bretzter

Member
I think what Jesus meant to say was that he was already in existence,long before the Abraham,
or any other man,including Adam for that matter.
Were not angels created before man?.
In fact,I personally believe that it was he God to whom was speaking to when he said "Let us make
man in our own image".
Obviously God isn´t speaking with himself here.
So if he was speaking to someone other than himself,the obvious question would have to be then to
who really was it he was actually conversing with?.
And even Jesus himself said that he was not of this world.
So who is Jesus really?,and why was it that even demons not only knew him,but were totally in fear
of him if he had no authority.
Truth is,he was given that authority by none other than God himself,again,as he said.
"All things were given to him by his Father".

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