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What frustrates you about humanity?

savagewind

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Premium Member
What frustrates me most about humanity is that even though lots of little, beneficial, and pain free changes people can make will improve the world now and into the future, some people won't bother even trying to make them. And, why?

@Epic Beard Man please, forget your blackness. There are many other groups that have the same feelings about it all. Women. The poor. The uneducated. The handicapped. Children. Old people.

I am an old, uneducated, handicapped woman. Not poor but compared to some people, I am. Anyway, think of me the next time you feel uncomfortable. I might feel uncomfortable next to you.
 
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Unveiled Artist

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I honestly don't know what that means.

Oh. Opps. Sorry. It's a fable about "A vain emperor who cares about nothing except wearing and displaying clothes hires two weavers who promise him they will make him the best suit of clothes. The weavers are con-men who convince the emperor they are using a fine fabric invisible to anyone who is either unfit for his position or "hopelessly stupid"."

The weavers embarrass the emperor to that he will finally see his real self rather than being ignorant and hiding it in his pride.

Humanity is so prideful. What's interesting is, we tend to say other's need help with this or that but are ignorant of our own downfalls that may supersede those of some others. It's recognizing our own faults without separating it as us-vs-them.

What frustrates me about humanity is we (every single person) as a whole are so prideful that maybe we are addressing one external problem (the clothes) but don't see the problems we have in ourselves (our ego and personality).
 
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Epic Beard Man

Bearded Philosopher
@Epic Beard Man please, forget your blackness. There are many other groups that have the same feelings about it all. Women. The poor. The uneducated. The handicapped. Children. Old people.

I am an old, uneducated, handicapped woman. Not poor but compared to some people, I am. Anyway, think of me the next time you feel uncomfortable. I might feel uncomfortable next to you.

For you to tell me that is to deny all my experiences that have shaped my mentality. For you to tell me to "forget my blackness" is akin to telling someone who has been raped forget that they were raped. My existence, my physical features and the reality to which I live in relation to those features is the reason I have the mindset the way I do. Apparently you want me to forget my world and the experiences I've had. as far as your comfort, not sure why you're compelled to say you'd be uncomfortable next to me, you don't even know what I look like nor have encountered my demeanor outside this website, but I assure you, there is nothing to be afraid of.
 
You're asking for genetic manipulation which I'm sure is not in some distant future.

No chance of that coming back to haunt us. Our species has such a good track record when it comes to avoiding unintended consequences after all...

Hubris is a defining human characteristic though, which is frustrating.
 

Unveiled Artist

Veteran Member
What frustrates me most about humanity is that even though lots of little, beneficial, and pain free changes people can make will improve the world now and into the future, some people won't bother even trying to make them. And, why?

@Epic Beard Man please, forget your blackness. There are many other groups that have the same feelings about it all. Women. The poor. The uneducated. The handicapped. Children. Old people.

I am an old, uneducated, handicapped woman. Not poor but compared to some people, I am. Anyway, think of me the next time you feel uncomfortable. I might feel uncomfortable next to you.

May I ask? Has age, education, and disability in part and through experiences shape who you are as a person today?

If someone told you to forget these things, where you are, even if it doesn't bother you personally would you see how that would be kinda an insult? (The question not you)
 
I don't suppose you would consider inventions that may have futuristic consequences

Depends on the invention. If it is one that introduces systemic risk, and can replicate outwith any person's control then this is very different.

If it involves a complex system (like human body) we will have the ability to alter such things long before we begin to understand the full range of effects, as many of these are unknowable. No amount of limited, controlled trails can replicate the long term, high variance conditions of real world combined with dynamic feedback loops.

Humans are hubristic by nature, think they understand far more than they do and never really learn from experience though (this time it's different...). There's no reason to believe they will prove any less foolish on this issue though.

Do you believe large scale genetic engineering of humans before we understand the long term consequences is rational?
 

Epic Beard Man

Bearded Philosopher
Do you believe large scale genetic engineering of humans before we understand the long term consequences is rational?


No. The fact that we still debate on the religiosity of stem cell research means we shouldn't even think about genetic engineering on a large scale at this point.
 

savagewind

Veteran Member
Premium Member
For you to tell me that is to deny all my experiences that have shaped my mentality. For you to tell me to "forget my blackness" is akin to telling someone who has been raped forget that they were raped. My existence, my physical features and the reality to which I live in relation to those features is the reason I have the mindset the way I do. Apparently you want me to forget my world and the experiences I've had. as far as your comfort, not sure why you're compelled to say you'd be uncomfortable next to me, you don't even know what I look like nor have encountered my demeanor outside this website, but I assure you, there is nothing to be afraid of.
Didn't you say YOU are uncomfortable among people not like you? Maybe you like to be uncomfortable. I am sorry. I don't.
 

savagewind

Veteran Member
Premium Member
May I ask? Has age, education, and disability in part and through experiences shape who you are as a person today?

If someone told you to forget these things, where you are, even if it doesn't bother you personally would you see how that would be kinda an insult? (The question not you)
Oh for goodness' sakes! I didn't mean to forget it entirely! LOL I mean forget it if it makes you uncomfortable among certain people.

Do you see one of my handicaps? Talking! @Epic Beard Man
 

savagewind

Veteran Member
Premium Member
I don't think people should cause other people to feel inferior. But, I think that in most situations it isn't all the fault of the seemingly superior ones. It is also the fault of the one feeling less of a person, I think. So, don't allow it! In other words, forget it!
 

Epic Beard Man

Bearded Philosopher
Didn't you say YOU are uncomfortable among people not like you? Maybe you like to be uncomfortable. I am sorry. I don't.

My experiences with some Caucasians and my comfort level has to do with my experiences and how race has always been the topic as benign discussions tend to shift towards black and white. These conversations tends to turn into a topic of "I have black cousins" or "I'm sorry what your ancestors went through" or in my recent case, "say white power." The point is, the level of my comfort in these cases were dependent upon the fact that my ethnicity was the forefront of conversation, not my humanity.

Maybe I like to be uncomfortable?

That is a stretch....

I have a diverse group of people I surround myself with but when it comes to being around a group of Caucasians yes 9 times out of 10 someone always brings up race which makes an uncomfortable topic of discussion. That is my point. I think you missed that or intentionally are not trying to understand. Believe it or not most African-Americans are not concerned with what Caucasians do. Most black households are worried about paying bills, watching out for law enforcement, and living through another day. Although there are a few outliers in the community most of us worry about the average stuff. In our barbershops all we talk about is sports and Donald Trump and how awful he is. But when I'm around some of my white colleagues either someone brings up a racial joke, discuss a topic on race and ask my opinion on why such and such black person does x, y, and z, or having to answer why BLM riot.

These things make me uncomfortable and it's frustrating.....

Hence is why I've never really felt American or human because to out-groups, I'm still looked at as the "other." If you cannot understand that I don't know what to tell you.
 
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Epic Beard Man

Bearded Philosopher
So, don't allow it! In other words, forget it!

This is a useless way of looking at life. I wonder what my grand-parents would say to you for their experiences. It seems you intentionally overlook the experiences of others. We humans a conglomerate of what we've experienced in life. You don't forget how cancer made you feel or how one feels when they've been wronged. You learn, adapt, but those experiences in which changes your way of approaching life is a part of your makeup. To say otherwise means you are independent of experience and that is impossible.
 

savagewind

Veteran Member
Premium Member
My experiences with some Caucasians and my comfort level has to do with my experiences and how race has always been the topic as benign discussions tend to shift towards black and white. These conversations tends to turn into a topic of "I have black cousins" or "I'm sorry what your ancestors went through" or in my recent case, "say white power." The point is, the level of my comfort in these cases were dependent upon the fact that my ethnicity was the forefront of conversation, not my humanity.

Maybe I like to be uncomfortable?

That is a stretch....

I have a diverse group of people I surround myself with but when it comes to being around a group of Caucasians yes 9 times out of 10 someone always brings up race which makes an uncomfortable topic of discussion. That is my point. I think you missed that or intentionally are not trying to understand. Believe it or not most African-Americans are not concerned with what Caucasians do. Most black households are worried about paying bills, watching out for law enforcement, and living through another day. Although there are a few outliers in the community most of us worry about the average stuff. In our barbershops all we talk about is sports and Donald Trump and how awful he is. But when I'm around some of my white colleagues either someone brings up a racial joke, discuss a topic on race and ask my opinion on why such and such black person does x, y, and z, or having to answer why BLM riot.

These things make me uncomfortable and it's frustrating.....

Hence is why I've never really felt American or human because to out-groups, I'm still looked at as the "other." If you cannot understand that I don't know what to tell you.
Do you feel comfortable telling people the truth? Like, "I know I'm black, have you any idea what year it is?"
 

savagewind

Veteran Member
Premium Member
This is a useless way of looking at life. I wonder what my grand-parents would say to you for their experiences. It seems you intentionally overlook the experiences of others. We humans a conglomerate of what we've experienced in life. You don't forget how cancer made you feel or how one feels when they've been wronged. You learn, adapt, but those experiences in which changes your way of approaching life is a part of your makeup. To say otherwise means you are independent of experience and that is impossible.
I actually do forget how I felt when I'd been wronged......I thank God for that!. But, I don't forget feeling like throwing up the last part of my stomach when I underwent chemotherapy.
 

Epic Beard Man

Bearded Philosopher
Do you feel comfortable telling people the truth? Like, "I know I'm black, have you any idea what year it is?"

Do I feel comfortable telling people the truth? Yup. Otherwise if I lie here then I'm a liar in real life. I don't sugar coat nothing I feel about what I say over the internet. I'm not a hateful individual nor is it a behavior that I learned growing up. I know right from wrong. But I'm still unsure what your question meant.
 
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