What goes around comes around

[danieldemol]

No, that's not what I wanted to show. I am showing how an Iranian Islamic regime who came to power with support of USA and England, is now helping Russia in a war, which could result in Russia winning the war. Which then could encourage Russia to even later invade other countries, and then extend the war to Nato, which would involve USA and England eventually. But if Russia looses this war, it would be incapable of extending it farther.

You are drawing a pretty long bow to claim justice there.

Besides even if Russia wins this war if it comes at too high a price it would be incapable of extending this war further.

Just think if it only barely manages to scrape a win through against a small country like Ukraine how will it fare against the combined forces of NATO?

Even then you are counting your divine justice chickens before they hatch, because Russia hasn't even won in Ukraine yet.

In my opinion.

 

[JIMMY12345]

Maybe it looks like I should put this in the Politics thread, but it is not really about Politics.

It is well known now, that when in 1979, the Iranian Shah was overthrown and replaced by the Islamic theocracy in Iran, the USA and England had a role for that to happen, simply because the USA and British Governments at the time, saw it was in their favor. I don't want to get into details of that, as I'm not really interested in politics.

Now, consider, 40 years later, this same Islamic theocracy that was established by the help of the western Governments now helping Russia in war against Ukraine by supplying some Drones, which recently has destroyed more than 30 percent of Ukrain Electrical Power. The Ukrain is going to have a cold and dark winter.
But, could this help from Iranian Islamic theocracy, actually result in Russia winning the war? If Russia wins, through help from Iran, how would that effect the US and England?
Do you see how what goes around comes around, more than 40 years later?

When the Ayatollah Khomeini came back from exile from Paris. Iranians had to face unpleasant facts. This gentleman had a very strict interpretation of everything. Modern norms female equality forget it.
One American president later toed the Kremlin line. Weaken NATO,EU,WHO and tear up the Iranian nuclear arms agreement. This drove the Iranians into the Russian arms. The latter do not necessarily welcome Islam but if you throw a few drones into the picture.............

 

[InvestigateTruth]

The Wiki page you linked has a warning on it that it is unsourced or poorly sourced and may be challenged and removed. Additionally, the page has links to two other pages:

1979 Iranian Revolution conspiracy theory

October Surprise conspiracy theory

These pages call your version of events a conspiracy theory right in their titles.

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So, which version is telling the truth in your opinion, and why? Is it really a baseless conspiracy theory, or the American and British governments helped with overthrowing the Shah? And how what's the reason for your selection?

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Regardless, it doesn't matter. What is occurring today in Ukraine is the result of more contemporary issues, not the fall of the Shah's regime, in my uniformed opinion.

I did not say what is happening in Ukraine is or is not as a result of fall of the Shah's regime. I said today, Iranian regime is helping Russia by providing them military Drones which had a significant effect in destruction in Ukraine, which in turn may even cause the Russia win the war, which then can have more consequences that eventually get the US involve in a future war.

 

[InvestigateTruth]

You are drawing a pretty long bow to claim justice there.

Besides even if Russia wins this war if it comes at too high a price it would be incapable of extending this war further.

Just think if it only barely manages to scrape a win through against a small country like Ukraine how will it fare against the combined forces of NATO?

Even then you are counting your divine justice chickens before they hatch, because Russia hasn't even won in Ukraine yet.

In my opinion.

Note that Russia does not even call this a war. They call it a special operation. They did not use any of their strong weapons. If they wanted, they could in one day, destroy the whole Ukraine. But if a war actually happens with the Nato, the Russians Nuclear Missiles can reach any where in the world and destroy their whole country.

 

[MikeF]

So, which version is telling the truth in your opinion, and why? Is it really a baseless conspiracy theory, or the American and British governments helped with overthrowing the Shah? And how what's the reason for your selection?

I did not find your references to be strong. With that, and your version of events being referred to as a conspiracy theory multiple times, and that your version conflicts with my current understanding, I can only conclude that your version is actually a conspiracy theory. Should more reliable information from a respected source support your version, I would reevaluate.

I did not say what is happening in Ukraine is or is not as a result of fall of the Shah's regime. I said today, Iranian regime is helping Russia by providing them military Drones which had a significant effect in destruction in Ukraine, which in turn may even cause the Russia win the war, which then can have more consequences that eventually get the US involve in a future war.

Then that is all you need have said. No need to add in the conspiracy theory about the fall of the Shah's regime.

 

[danieldemol]

Note that Russia does not even call this a war. They call it a special operation. They did not use any of their strong weapons. If they wanted, they could in one day, destroy the whole Ukraine. But if a war actually happens with the Nato, the Russians Nuclear Missiles can reach any where in the world and destroy their whole country.

Sure they could *if it wouldn't come at too high a price*.

Which is why I think you are counting your chickens before they hatch.

Let Russia win this war against Ukraine *and* attack the US, then your talking point would be justified only if you have evidence to support your conspiracy theory.

Even then you will only be counting a hit and ignoring any misses.

In my opinion.

 

[InvestigateTruth]

Sure they could *if it wouldn't come at too high a price*.

Which is why I think you are counting your chickens before they hatch.

Let Russia win this war against Ukraine *and* attack the US, then your talking point would be justified only if you have evidence to support your conspiracy theory.

Even then you will only be counting a hit and ignoring any misses.

In my opinion.

I suggest there will be consequences for anything here, because the people of the world are connected as the members of a body, no matter where on earth they are. It is like, if the brain says I only care about me, and I don't care what happens to the heart, and the heart says, I only care about me, and I don't care what happens to the kiddny. That's how the countries have been doing, caring about themselves and in their own favour, not knowing the world is connected, and the consequences will return to themselves, even it might be 1000 years later.

 

[InvestigateTruth]

I did not find your references to be strong. With that, and your version of events being referred to as a conspiracy theory multiple times, and that your version conflicts with my current understanding, I can only conclude that your version is actually a conspiracy theory. Should more reliable information from a respected source support your version, I would reevaluate.

I am not supporting the conspiracy theory that the US and Britain planned, and overthrown the Shah and replaced with the Islamic government.
But they did help as part of it, and there are evidence for it, as even they admitted.
There is a difference between saying it was totally their plot, and saying they helped the Iranians who had raised against the Shah.

Then that is all you need have said. No need to add in the conspiracy theory about the fall of the Shah's regime.

When did I do that? Perhaps you can point me to my post. I see a misunderstanding here. But never mind. The point is, in politics, each country or party, cares about their own benefits, even if their benefits can cause other nations to become poor, destroyed, etc. Humanity needs to learn to be united, and set aside selfishness.

 

[MikeF]

The point is, in politics, each country or party, cares about their own benefits, even if their benefits can cause other nations to become poor, destroyed, etc. Humanity needs to learn to be united, and set aside selfishness.

I agree.

 

[gnomon]

Oh, please, You can do your own research on that. Just Google it.

Provide your own research.

 

[danieldemol]

I suggest there will be consequences for anything here, because the people of the world are connected as the members of a body, no matter where on earth they are. It is like, if the brain says I only care about me, and I don't care what happens to the heart, and the heart says, I only care about me, and I don't care what happens to the kiddny. That's how the countries have been doing, caring about themselves and in their own favour, not knowing the world is connected, and the consequences will return to themselves, even it might be 1000 years later.

If the consequences return in 1000 years it is manifestly not divine justice because the people who initiated whatever crime will be long dead and the consequences won't effect them.

In my opinion.