What happens if China takes side of Russia?

[Link]

If China decides to stop loaning money to US for example. What happens. Europe + US sanctions greater economic threat or is China the bigger decider?

I'm not saying one way or the other, but seems the balance of power is now in China's decision from what I perceive.

 

[F1fan]

It will shake up global economies. The majority of Western nations are pro-democracy so I could see a serious rise in support for boycotts to Chinese products, as Europe gas cut off Russian energy. It won't be easy but I think Putin has under-estimated the rest of the world. This whole thing illustrates how the nations of the world need democracies, not autocrats.

 

[Link]

It will shake up global economies. The majority of Western nations are pro-democracy so I could see a serious rise in support for boycotts to Chinese products, as Europe gas cut off Russian energy. It won't be easy but I think Putin has under-estimated the rest of the world. This whole thing illustrates how the nations of the world need democracies, not autocrats.

I don't think he has miscalculated. This was all expected. China to me is the deciding power in all this. Whoever they decide should win in this conflict economically, will win.

I personally don't believe there is any real democracy in the world. Just facades of it.

 

[Nimos]

If China decides to stop loaning money to US for example. What happens. Europe + US sanctions greater economic threat or is China the bigger decider?

I'm not saying one way or the other, but seems the balance of power is now in China's decision from what I perceive.

China is already "supporting" Putin, but China's economy highly depend on Europe and the US as well, so I don't think they are interested in that going bad.

But they do have a firm grip on Europe and the US, because they obviously manufacture so many things in the world and so many companies get their things made there. Which is also why they can pretty much dictate what companies can do and say about China and even countries. Because if you say something they don't like. Well, then it will be almost impossible to operate on the Chinese market, which could potentially hurt or kill a big company. But lets assume that China decided to become more aggressive in Asia and invade like Russia is doing with Ukraine, then it will almost be impossible for the US and Europe to do anything without risking WW3 to be honest. Which is why I think China is very interested in seeing how this whole Ukraine thing is going to play out. Not saying that China intend to invade anyone, but if the right person get to power and things change, then they can almost do whatever they feel like. And the Asian countries would be defenseless more or less I think.

 

[Revoltingest]

If China decides to stop loaning money to US for example. What happens. Europe + US sanctions greater economic threat or is China the bigger decider?

I'm not saying one way or the other, but seems the balance of power is now in China's decision from what I perceive.

We have power over China as a customer.
They need us. And as borrowers, we hold
great power over them.
Old saying....
If you owe the bank a hundred dollars, the bank owns you.
If you owe the bank a million dollars, you own the bank.
(It's not adjusted for inflation. $1M was once a lot of money.)

 

[Link]

China is already "supporting" Putin, but China's economy highly depend on Europe and the US as well, so I don't think they are interested in that going bad.

I think it's their interest to do that. They lose nothing, Europe and US lose their power, Russia and China take over economic interests massively. They build a new currency system outside the petrol dollar. China would be a fool not to take advantage.

 

[Link]

We have power over China as a customer.
They need us. And as borrowers, we hold
great power over them.
Old saying....
If you owe the bank a hundred dollars, the bank owns you.
If you owe the bank a million dollars, you own the bank.
(It's not adjusted for inflation. $1M was once a lot of money.)

I think this is false and miscalculation. They don't need US While US needs them. This is reality.

 

[Nimos]

I think it's their interest to do that. They lose nothing, Europe and US lose their power, Russia and China take over economic interests massively. They build a new currency system outside the petrol dollar. China would be a fool not to take advantage.

From what I understand its sort of a mutual agreement, Russia support China's claim to certain areas, and China support Putins claim to those parts of Ukraine, im not sure if China support a full invasion of Ukraine, or whether they simply don't care. But they have mutual interested in supporting each others claim to different countries..

 

[Twilight Hue]

If China decides to stop loaning money to US for example. What happens. Europe + US sanctions greater economic threat or is China the bigger decider?

I'm not saying one way or the other, but seems the balance of power is now in China's decision from what I perceive.

I think the intention is to collapse the US and EU much like how the USSR collapsed, creating weaker states followed by a new dominant superpower taking over the world as its policeman.

 

[Link]

From what I understand its sort of a mutual agreement, Russia support China's claim to certain areas, and China support Putins claim to those parts of Ukraine, im not sure if China support a full invasion of Ukraine, or whether they simply don't care. But they have mutual interested in supporting each others claim to different countries..

They have a lot of interest to take down the NATO and US empire thing. China can easily do it.

 

[Revoltingest]

I think this is false and miscalculation. They don't need US While US needs them. This is reality.

I think you're wrong. Ameristan is a huge market
that drives their economy. We owe them over $1T.
If we couldn't or wouldn't repay, it would be costly
for them. These factors are power.

 

[Link]

I think you're wrong. Ameristan is a huge market
that drives their economy. We owe them over $1T.
If we couldn't or wouldn't repay, it would be costly
for them. These factors are power.

It would be costly, but they can invest else where including Russia. US would fall but China would remain if they cut off loans. In the long run maybe there interest to do that while it would only be temporarily inconvenient economically.

 

[Revoltingest]

They have a lot of interest to take down the NATO and US empire thing. China can easily do it.

Easily?
How?

 

[Link]

Easily?
How?

Stop loaning money, that easy. Put their own sanctions and take side of Russia.

 

[Revoltingest]

It would be costly, but they can invest else where including Russia. US would fall but China would remain if they cut off loans. In the long run maybe there interest to do that while it would only be temporarily inconvenient economically.

What is going to make USA fall?

 

[Link]

What is going to make USA fall?

US borrows massively from China. They will have no economy. This whole balance depends on China.

 

[Revoltingest]

Stop loaning money, that easy. Put their own sanctions and take side of Russia.

Those acts would likely harm China at least
as much as USA. One doesn't wage war with
the intent of doing equal or less damage.

 

[Link]

Those acts would likely harm China at least
as much as USA. One doesn't wage war with
the intent of doing equal or less damage.

Maybe short term, I don't see that is the case. But over long term, Russia and China will build their economic strength over world and take it away from US and Europe. It is in their interest.

 

[Revoltingest]

US borrows massively from China. They will have no economy. This whole balance depends on China.

Our economy doesn't depend upon China's small portion
of yearly lending. And if we dishonored the loans, this
would harm China, & benefit US.
So if China wants to stop lending to us, they have my OK.

 

[Link]

Our economy doesn't depend upon China's small portion
of yearly lending. And if we dishonored the loans, this
would harm China, & benefit US.
So if China wants to stop lending to us, they have my OK.

IT's not only that, they aren't obliged to trade. They might take side of Russia.

Just saying all balance of power right is in one countries hand, they either wimp out or take advantage. If they take advantage, China will take over as the power.