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What happens if China takes side of Russia?

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
Maybe short term, I don't see that is the case. But over long term, Russia and China will build their economic strength over world and take it away from US and Europe. It is in their interest.
You make it sound inexorable.
Ameristan has largely lost interest in competing
economically in the last half century or so, but
that could change if leaders decide it's an
existential necessity.
Never assume that future history is fixed.
 

Link

Veteran Member
Premium Member
You make it sound inexorable.
Ameristan has largely lost interest in competing
economically in the last half century or so, but
that could change if leaders decide it's an
existential necessity.
Never assume that future history is fixed.

Future is not fixed. But I have a feeling the new hegemon in the world will be China and Russia together.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
IT's not only that, they aren't obliged to trade. They might take side of Russia.
We aren't obliged to be customers.
Trade finances their expansion.
Just saying all balance of power right is in one countries hand, they either wimp out or take advantage. If they take advantage, China will take over as the power.
The future isn't written in stone.
Seemingly unstoppable empires have fallen before.
 

Link

Veteran Member
Premium Member
We aren't obliged to be customers.
Trade finances their expansion.

The future isn't written in stone.
Seemingly unstoppable empires have fallen before.

Seems to me this is the start to the end of US and Nato as hegemons.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
Future is not fixed. But I have a feeling the new hegemon in the world will be China and Russia together.
Until China eyes Siberia.
Or Russian develops an economy that surpasses China.
This is far down the road, but it's likely, given Russia's
greater resources.
 

Link

Veteran Member
Premium Member
Until China eyes Siberia.
Or Russian develops an economy that surpasses China.
This is far down the road, but it's likely, given Russia's
greater resources.

Hmm you know US and Nato could've made a world a better place. Just remember you guys supported dictators, coups of dictators, and everything was about making other people serve you.

You had your chance to shine.

But no, you had to create ISIS, make wars, I don't think God likes that, and "God is who doesn't make good the word of the havoc/mischief makers"
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
Hmm you know US and Nato could've made a world a better place. Just remember you guys supported dictators, coups of dictators, and everything was about making other people serve you.

You had your chance to shine.

But no, you had to create ISIS, make wars, I don't think God likes that, and "God is who doesn't make good the word of the havoc/mischief makers"
Those are all criticisms I've offered of our government.
But you can't convince an atheist that God takes sides,
& is now favoring Russian & China. That would be a
God who needs regime change.
 

Link

Veteran Member
Premium Member
Those are all criticisms I've offered of our government.
But you can't convince an atheist that God takes sides,
& is now favoring Russian & China. That would be a
God who needs regime change.

I told you, you can't change thinks alone as an atheist. You need to recognize the truthful ones.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
I see their world order falling. Sunnis who sided with US and Israel will probably eat their own **** after the whole conflict is over.
Things change.
I'm not so pessimistic that some future
Sino-Soviet regime will take over the world.
 

sayak83

Veteran Member
Staff member
Premium Member
If China decides to stop loaning money to US for example. What happens. Europe + US sanctions greater economic threat or is China the bigger decider?

I'm not saying one way or the other, but seems the balance of power is now in China's decision from what I perceive.
If China openly sides with Russia to form a new Axis, there would be World War 3...and US will win again.
 

Nimos

Well-Known Member
They have a lot of interest to take down the NATO and US empire thing. China can easily do it.
Yeah maybe, I don't think they are as concerned as one might think, at least not on the level of Russia. Again, China pretty much does whatever they feel like. They are building damn military islands in the middle of the sea because they feel like it.


And we know how they treat their people and those nations around them, its not always done especially nicely.

China is a country that do long term strategies.

China is now Africa’s biggest trade partner, with Sino-African trade topping $200 billion per year. According to McKinsey, over 10,000 Chinese-owned firms are currently operating throughout the African continent, and the value of Chinese business there since 2005 amounts to more than $2 trillion, with $300 billion in investment currently on the table. Africa has also eclipsed Asia as the largest market for China’s overseas construction contracts. To keep this momentum building, Beijing recently announced a $1 billion Belt and Road Africa infrastructure development fund and, in 2018, a whopping $60 billion African aid package, so expect Africa to continuing swaying to the east as economic ties with China become more numerous and robust.

In 2012, the IMF found that China owned 15% of Africa’s external debt, and hardly three years later roughly two-thirds of all new loans were coming from China. This has some analysts issuing warnings about debt traps – with some even going as far as calling what China is doing a new form colonialism.

Africa has huge amount of natural resources and one of the things China doesn't interfere in is how the political system is doing, so they don't criticize these corrupt people, as long as they don't interfere with China.

And the list goes on, China is really damn strong, also economically.
 
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sayak83

Veteran Member
Staff member
Premium Member
US borrows massively from China. They will have no economy. This whole balance depends on China.
Nonsense. In a war debt means nothing at all. US-Japan-Korea-India-Australia-Europe-Canada-Israel together possess far more power and resources than China-Russia.
 

Nakosis

Non-Binary Physicalist
Premium Member
I don't think he has miscalculated. This was all expected. China to me is the deciding power in all this. Whoever they decide should win in this conflict economically, will win.

I personally don't believe there is any real democracy in the world. Just facades of it.

I think usury is where the west went wrong.
 

Link

Veteran Member
Premium Member
I think usury is where the west went wrong.

Maybe if they allowed other countries their sovereignty and didn't turn everyone to a big axis of evil, they probably would've kept their power. Also, we'll see where Arab dictators go in all this. I think their time is coming.
 

England my lionheart

Rockerjahili Rebel
Premium Member
IT's not only that, they aren't obliged to trade. They might take side of Russia.

Just saying all balance of power right is in one countries hand, they either wimp out or take advantage. If they take advantage, China will take over as the power.

China wants Taiwan but after the sanctions that have been put on Russia China will think again,China makes so many things and exports them but if nodody buys them they're in deep do do,Russia cannot use swiftbank so they bank with china but in reality if both were sanctioned they would have nowhere to go except down the pan.
 

Link

Veteran Member
Premium Member
China wants Taiwan but after the sanctions that have been put on Russia China will think again,China makes so many things and exports them but if nodody buys them they're in deep do do,Russia cannot use swiftbank so they bank with china but in reality if both were sanctioned they would have nowhere to go except down the pan.

I think China/Russia/Iran have long time had a plan economically to build a new currency. I hope it replaces the petrodollar.

You say nobody, why would other counties like African not buy?

Seems we heading to a world war over all this. But it had to come, only chance for oppressed to be free of the bullies.
 
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