godnotgod
Thou art That
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Of course it is made of "parts".
You are sitting in front of a computer now, right?
Are you the computer? Can you not detach yourself from the computer, and leave the house without the computer fallowing you? If the computer drops, while you are away, do you feel, that something of you has just been broken?
So, of course the universe consists of parts. The universe ITSELF is the arrangement of these parts. It's the entirety of these parts.
And that's why I'm part of the universe. But I'm not all of the universe. I might directly and indirectly be connected to all the parts of the universe, but I certainly am seperate from these other parts.
Not seperate from the universe though.
If the parts you refer to are of the universe, you cannot simultaneously be and not be separate from those parts. "parts" is only a conceptual reality. We call the universe a 'uni-verse' because it is everything, but it is also one entity, ie; 'uni-verse'. So from the point of view of the universe, there are no such 'parts'. That is just something your rational mind creates in order to deal with what it thinks it sees on a perceptual level.
Just you're being here means you are touching upon everything else in the universe. Everything is totally interconnected, but just because you do not feel the computer falling does not mean you are not connected to it in some way. But what we are discussing here is manifested form, when the real universal inter-connection lies underneath all forms. What I am saying to you is that consciousness underlies everything, even though it is not apparent to you, and it is not because you are looking at things via your altered consciousness, which tells you there are parts to the universe and that you are separate from those other parts. Once again, the universe is neither object nor artifact, but that is how you are presenting it.
Because the true Reality is that everything is actually consciousness, and the fact that consciousness is not in Time, Space, or Causation, it means that your consciousness and mine are, in actual fact, the entire universe. It only seems that we possess an individual consciousness entrapped within a local bag of skin called "I", when there is actually no such thing as "I". IOW, the true nature of consciousness is non-local. Even though there are at any one time, millions of wave-forms being manifested upon the ocean's surface, each one somewhat different than all the others, they are all made of the same singular substance: water; and that is precisely the case for human consciousness: it is, in reality, universal consciousness. The non-locality of the human brain has been proven in a study (Jacobo-Grinsberg) that has since been replicated many times.
Whether you like it or not, you are completely (ie 100%) and seamlessly integrated with everything else as one universe. To try to say you are a 'part' of the universe is to create a subject/object; observer/observed condition. When I say that you ARE the universe, I do not mean just your form, but your consciousness as well. IOW, you are a total action of the universe itself, just as each ocean wave is a total action of the ocean.
"You are not just the drop in the ocean; you are the Mighty Ocean itself"
Rumi
Being alive implies self-replication and things like metabolism, the input and output of resources.
As far as I know, this does not apply to the universes. So no, the universe is not alive, at least not in any sense that complies with the scientific definition of "life".
The same with consciousness. I don't see how the universe (the ENTIRE thing) can be consciouss. I am. You are. So parts of the universe are. But other parts aren't.
F.e. If somebody on the other side of the planet loses consciousnes, this doesn't mean that I lose consciousnes too. Which shows clearly, that the individual parts that are conscious do not share this consciousnes.
As I said, the scientific definition of 'life' is a highly controlled and sculpted one, designed for a particular kind of result. It is not the definition I am using. Did you read the quote I provided by the physicist Freeman Dyson on the consciousness of the atom?
If you are a conscious being, and are 100% integrated with the universe, and the universe is made up of all things, including space, then it must be conscious as well, because there is no difference between you and the universe. Do you get this, or not?
As I've said, I don't know of any scientist who doesn't see himself as a part of the universe. This makes no sense. Do you know any people who consider themself to be seperate from the universe? I don't even know how this could be possible.
The problem with your 'understanding' is that it is an intellectual one, and not an experiential one.
The very nature of the scientific method is to dissect and observe. In so doing, it sets the observer apart from the observed, ie; 'the universe', and sees it composed of separate 'parts'. Probably most scientists would adopt your view, that they are only 'part' of the universe, which is still means having a separate identity. That identity is an illusion. But this illusion of separation is not just peculiar to science; almost all humans maintain the illusion of an "I"-self, and in so doing, operate, perhaps unwittingly, on the basis of subject/object; observer/observed. Only the mystic can be said to have attained a condition of unaltered consciousness by which it is realized that he and the universe are, in actuality, one and the same.
" that the Universe is the Absolute seen through the screen of time, space and causation allows us to get some interesting information, albeit in negative terms, about what [is] called the Absolute.
Since it is not in time, it cannot be changing. Change takes place only in time.
And since it is not in space, it must be undivided, because division and separation occur only in space.
And since it is therefore one and undivided, it must also be infinite, since there is no "other" to limit it.
Now "changeless", "infinite", and "undivided" are negative statements, but they will suffice. We can trace the physics of our Universe from these three negative statements.
If we don't see the Absolute as what it is, we'll see it as something else. If we don't see it as changeless, infinite, and undivided, we'll see it as changing, finite, and divided, since in this case there is no other else.
There is no other way to mistake the changeless except as changing. So we see a Universe which is changing all the time, made of minuscule particles, and divided into atoms."
from: Equations of Maya, by astronomer John Dobson
The Equations of Maya by John Dobson
What justifies that claim? As I've said, I see very clear evidence for all of our parts being part of the universe, but I don't see any evidence to then say that therefore we ARE the universe.
see previous input.
The universe existed long before we existed, even long before conscious things existed. Therefore, consciousness seems to be an emergent property of things in the universe, not a necessary attribute of the universe itself. ESPECIALLY not of the entire universe!
You're looking at it in a linear manner. Time is merely conceptual. Without this concept in place, the universe is no longer some-thing, but an action, and you and I are 100% involved in that action, every bit as much as the ocean wave is an activity of the ocean itself. IOW, you and I and the universe are occurring NOW, as it always has occurred NOW, but not in time. You see, it is an event in consciousness. But because our particular consciousness has been highly conditioned, we see it as comprised of material 'things' and 'parts'.
I am afraid that this so called 'emergent' 'theory' of consciousness is only a weak hypothesis in the scientific world. Via of this 'theory', please explain, if you can, how non-material consciousness can emerge from the material world.
(Actually, it is not that consciousness is an attribute of the universe, but that the universe is an attribute of consciousness !!!, making perfect sense in that consciousness is not in Time, Space, or Causation, and neither was the condition pre-existing the Big Bang. More to the point, the BB is not in Time, Space, or Causation either !!!)
...and in QM, time and space are a big problem as well.No, not necessarily. There are scientific models that don't take things like f.e. causality as a given, especially in the realms of quantum mechanics.
It sees things as they are simply because there is nothing in the way, such as thought, concept, belief, idea, doctrine, or notion to alter the view. It's the realization that YOU are in fact, THAT.And what's the evidence to support that claim?
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