What has always existed?

[Buttons*]

Just read the story of Lazarus, John 11:11 "He said these things, and then announced, "Our friend Lazarus has fallen asleep. I'm going to wake him up." Is one example in the bible where death is considered nothing more than a sleep.

it depends on interpretation

See, when gnostics say "sleep" they mean ignorance, so this gives that passage a whole new meaning.

 

[coldice013]

it depends on interpretation

See, when gnostics say "sleep" they mean ignorance, so this gives that passage a whole new meaning.

But was Lazarus awoke from ignorance or death

 

[Buttons*]

But was Lazarus awoke from ignorance or death

ignorance, imo

 

[FFH]

How can hell be eternal if it hadn't always existed?

Hell is eternal because it will always exist, and is a place where Satan and his demons will reside for eternity.

 

[Buttons*]

Hell is eternal because it will always exist, and is a place where Satan and his demons will reside for eternity.

and this is why i love mythology~ *smiles*

 

[Abram]

and this is why i love mythology~ *smiles*

Why do you love mythology?

 

[Buttons*]

Why do you love mythology?

lets get back to the OP please

This is strictly about hell, and the last comment i made was stupid, i'm sorry.

 

[Abram]

lets get back to the OP please

This is strictly about hell, and the last comment i made was stupid, i'm sorry.

I know but why ask our opinion then make commits like that when we give it to you. If you think it so fake and is just a story to scare kids into being good, then why ask?

 

[FFH]

Hell is eternal because it will always exist, and is a place where Satan and his demons will reside for eternity.

Demons are those who chose not to come to earth and obtain bodies.

 

[Buttons*]

I know but why ask our opinion then make commits like that when we give it to you. If you think it so fake and is just a story to scare kids into being good, then why ask?

because i'm curious about what others believe and why they believe it

i said i was sorry for that last comment, it's been a bad day, and i really shouldnt have taken it into this thread.

 

[Abram]

because i'm curious about what others believe and why they believe it

i said i was sorry for that last comment, it's been a bad day, and i really shouldnt have taken it into this thread.

If knew without a shadow of a doubt that hell was real, who would you warn?

 

[FFH]

Revelation 20: 10

And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.

 

[Buttons*]

If knew without a shadow of a doubt that hell was real, who would you warn?

well if I knew it was real, i would probably talk to people about their beliefs and try to convert them and save them from hell

If you knew it, i believe you'd do the same

 

[Buttons*]

Revelation 20: 10

And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.

right, so THIS is my question:

So was hell just sitting there waiting for Satan to reign in it?

 

[Abram]

well if I knew it was real, i would probably talk to people about their beliefs and try to convert them and save them from hell

If you knew it, i believe you'd do the same

I do! My conviction and the way he changed my life when I couldnt tells me he's real. If you set aside all these notions that Hell is this or that and just think of the Bible as one story (I know you know the story). It is very clear that hell is real.
God created time so we can't fathom a life outside of it. It's like understand finite math with out someone showing you.
So hell from a believers point of view is the result of the fall of a angel. Maybe its as simple as that God is love and can't kill so he must allow the devil kill himself through free will. We got trapped here and God is sorry, so he intervened with his son and gave those who wanted out a way. An ecscape from this world. It really works, I promise with all my heart that if you can die to this world and put it all on his shoulders he will appear. You will know with out a shadow of a doubt he's real, therefore hell is real.
Sorry now I'm preaching, I just know you have all the tools to find him.

 

[FFH]

right, so THIS is my question:

So was hell just sitting there waiting for Satan to reign in it?

Hell is a place that was created by God, just as we have created prisons to keep murderers from harming others. God has created hell for Satan and his demons, so that they will not continue to destroy our lives.

I am looking forward to Satan and his demons being thrown into hell, so that they will not continue to cause people to destroy themselves and others.

 

[Buttons*]

I do! My conviction and the way he changed my life when I couldnt tells me he's real. If you set aside all these notions that Hell is this or that and just think of the Bible as one story (I know you know the story). It is very clear that hell is real.
God created time so we can't fathom a life outside of it. It's like understand finite math with out someone showing you.
So hell from a believers point of view is the result of the fall of a angel. Maybe its as simple as that God is love and can't kill so he must allow the devil kill himself through free will. We got trapped here and God is sorry, so he intervened with his son and gave those who wanted out a way. An ecscape from this world. It really works, I promise with all my heart that if you can die to this world and put it all on his shoulders he will appear. You will know with out a shadow of a doubt he's real, therefore hell is real.
Sorry now I'm preaching, I just know you have all the tools to find him.

*smiles* its natural for you to try and help someone like me find the light. If you want to start sending me PM's on the subject, be my guest. Unfortunatley, this thread has some questions that i'd like answers to. (at least, an attempt at answering)

 

[Buttons*]

Hell is a place that was created by God, just as we have created prisons to keep murderers from harming others. God has created hell for Satan and his demons, so that they will not continue to destroy our lives.

okay, so hell did not exist until Satan rebelled, right?

The story would be like:
God is
God creates angels
Lucifer sees faults in God, wishes to take over kingdom
God then creates hell, and banishes Lucifer to it?

I am looking forward to Satan and his demons being thrown into hell, so that they will not continue to cause people to destroy themselves and others.

nice, but irrelevant

 

[Buttons*]

Lucifer sees faults in God, wishes to take over kingdom

... speaking of which.... how can God make an angel that would rebell? Angels have no will of their own, the do strictly god's bidding. How could God have created Lucifer in the first place?

 

[Abram]

... speaking of which.... how can God make an angel that would rebell? Angels have no will of their own, the do strictly god's bidding. How could God have created Lucifer in the first place?

The better you make a creature the better it can become, but also the worse it can become. A cow not real good, not real bad. Dog, little better, little worse. Man Good, bad. A super human, even better or worse.
Angels do have will, satan took a third of them with him. They think they can bring their self more or better happiness then God could provide. Like we do, this car is the answer to my happiness, this job will bring me the money I've always dreamed of. But in the end it loses it's appeal and lets you down.