What have we done to deserve this ?

[nameless]

Mara is the demon that tempts JayaBholenath's Hindu bothers and sisters.

Funny !

 

[Burl]

Funny !

Not so funny if you believe our actions have eternal consequences.

 

[nameless]

Not so funny if you believe our actions have eternal consequences.

No, i don't believe anything.

 

[Deidre]

No one does anything to deserve that treatment. It will always amaze me how depraved some human beings are, and at the same time, saddens me as to how they became that way. I suppose we should pray for all those who are incredibly lost. I still believe in miracles, even if one heart is changed through prayer. Those photos are so hreatbreaking.

 

[ratikala]

Namaskaram JayaBholenath ji

Vanakkam,

But should a Hindu raise a hand on a Muslim, OH BEWARE, this is hate and certainly not self defense.

personaly I am not in favour if retaliation in any way , ....

I think the only wise and potentialy lasting solution is education , .....

we have one Muslim here brave enough to say I do not comndone this , .... @Ya'quub ji I thank you for not inturpreting your teachings in the manner that some do .

sadly the truth of the matter is that distruction has happened on both sides of the fence , in years past Muslims have taken temples and converted them to mosques , we sometimes by force Hindus have tried to take them back , ....in the past Hindu rulers have taken over temples of neibouring Hindu Kings , ousted the preists and the deities only to replace them with deities of their own , .....

none of this is right , ..so the question is how do we fight ? ....

Now what do I want ? I want the answer of this, very, single, question :

what causes this ?

fear of the unknown , when peoples do not understand each other there is allways Fear , ....

[quoteWhat have we (Hindus) done to deserve this ?

Are we waging war or terrorizing people around the world ? No. Are we forcing people to convert or proselytizing actively ? No. Are we discriminating against other religions ? No. Are we claiming that we are the only ones to hold some kind of truth and dismiss other religions as false ? No. Do we even discriminate against atheists ? No.[/quote]


if we are trying to find a reason that this is allowed to happen on a Karmic level then we also have to look at tidying up our own act , removing oppression within Hindu society , desolving the corupt caste system and removing internal squables between sects , .....

So what ?

Tell me, really, I want to know what horrible things me and my Hindu bothers and sisters have done. I want to hear a good reason, really, am open to understand what is so ****ing wrong with us to deserve such gratuitous hate and destruction.

Aum Namah Shivaya

what is wrong ? ...... IGNORANCE, ....sadly it is everywhere , all we can do is to first fight the Ignorance within then we will be able to fight Ignorance in others .

it is true that we do not force our religious beleifs on other faiths we even accept the faith of others but we do not allways accept interfaith Dialogue , ...even here on this site many's a time I have herd a Hindu openly say ..get lost , clear off ''this is Hinduism DIR'' , ...even between our own traditions there is animosity , ''that is not Hinduism'' , ...''you are not Hindu '', .....if we canot talk then this will continue to happen if we are agressive or exclusive this will continue to happen

all the time animosity exists between Hindus them selves this will continue to happen , .....

Can we stop it ? ......yes , .....by being carefull not to fight fear or hatred with fear and hatred .

 

[Aupmanyav]

So far, christianity and islam are the only receivers of 'hindu fanaticism', jews and Zoroastrians been in india for centuries and they never had experienced any ill treatment from 'hindu fanatics'. I condemn any kind of violence, but still i would say, 'hindu fanaticism' is just a response to the hatred and violence they receive from the other parties, we can't expect everyone to be saint to have tons of patience.

That is right, Nameless. And most disturbances happened after some act of violence by Christians or Muslims. Also some were instigated by the so-called secular party, Nehru-Gandhi's Congress for political gain (and revenge) and not by any Hindu fanatic organization. Examples: Bhagalpur, Meerut, Sikh massacre.

 

[Godobeyer]

So, we should not be tempted.You forget that it happened after Muslims burnt 59 Hindu pilgrims alive in a rail coach.

Short Documentary Gujarat Riots Attack On Muslims 2002

Seems the Hindus are the angels ?
Gujaraat 2002 Massacre of Muslims by Hindu terrorists

 

[Aupmanyav]

Seems the Hindus are the angels ?

Why should you presume Hindus to be peace angels in face of these atrocities?

 

[Vinayaka]

Why should you presume Hindus to be peace angels in face of these atrocities?

Obviously, what we're supposed to do is allow the aggressive faiths to demolish all our temples, rape all our women, steal all our horses, and kill us off entirely. The genocide of a billion people would then provide peace to the world.

 

[Burl]

Obviously, what we're supposed to do is allow the aggressive faiths to demolish all our temples, rape all our women, steal all our horses, and kill us off entirely.

Nations will pass away and Dharma will remain.

 

[Vinayaka]

Nations will pass away and Dharma will remain.

This is true. Dharma cannot be eliminated because it's actually on the inside and eternal. If you took away all the temples, all the books, and killed all the practitioners, it might take awhile, and have a new name, but somewhere, some person would sit down, see or feel something on the inside that he or she is drawn to, retire to a forest or cave, discover truth within, and eventually all this stuff, most likely in differing external form, would manifest all over again.

 

[Aupmanyav]

Nations will pass away and Dharma will remain.

Dharma is not to cower but to fight in certain situations.

 

[nameless]

Nations will pass away and Dharma will remain.

Dharmo Rakshati Rakshhitaha
Dharma protects those who protect it!

Though i am not a fan of the concept called 'nation', but still if a nation does its best to do the right thing, dharma will protect the nation.

 

[Godobeyer]

Why should you presume Hindus to be peace angels in face of these atrocities?

I meant Hindus are NOT angels there are criminals and bad people among them ,as all humans.

I have a question:
If you live in India, don't you feel shame that you insult and accuse great party of your community,just because they choose to be in different religion than yours?

 

[Aupmanyav]

I believe most Muslims are nice, law abiding people (I have had close friends among Muslim in my college days). It is few who spoil the environment. It is the Saudi trained clerics who are the main cause of trouble. India presently is a Hindu ruled country (because of the majority) and as per Islamic law, Muslims should be loyal to their land. It is Allah wish or otherwise the partition would not have taken place and perhaps there would have been a Muslim Prime Minister in India. Gandhi did offer Prime Ministership to Jinnah.
lā ḥawla wa lā quwwata illā billāh

 

[Vinayaka]

I meant Hindus are NOT angels there are criminals and bad people among them ,as all humans.

I have a question:
If you live in India, don't you feel shame that you insult and accuse great party of your community,just because they choose to be in different religion than yours?

The same can be said for any country or peoples where minority rights are not respected.

"If you live in __________, don't you feel shame that you insult __________ (any minority) just because they choose to be different? However, in this thread it originally has a lot more than just insults. It had to do with destruction of property. In extreme cases on this planet, it had (and most likely still does) to do with genocide, which I suppose you could call the ultimate discrimination.

As for India since partition, all anybody has to do is google the census over time for the 3 countries involved. It will show massive decreases of the Hindu populations in the two Islamic countries, while the population of Islam practitioners has remained basically a constant. For any minorities in Islamic led countries, the continued Islamisation is a very real problem.

Another example: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rwandan_genocide

I see all this as one of the pitfalls of any democracy, where majority rules. Kinder heads should prevail.

 

[Aštra’el]

What you did to deserve this, was... you were born. Hindu or not, you are no more exempt from human Nature than anyone else.

@JayaBholenath
@ everyone else

 

[Godobeyer]

The same can be said for any country or peoples where minority rights are not respected.

"If you live in __________, don't you feel shame that you insult __________ (any minority) just because they choose to be different? However, in this thread it originally has a lot more than just insults. It had to do with destruction of property. In extreme cases on this planet, it had (and most likely still does) to do with genocide, which I suppose you could call the ultimate discrimination.

As for India since partition, all anybody has to do is google the census over time for the 3 countries involved. It will show massive decreases of the Hindu populations in the two Islamic countries, while the population of Islam practitioners has remained basically a constant. For any minorities in Islamic led countries, the continued Islamisation is a very real problem.

I see all this as one of the pitfalls of any democracy, where majority rules. Kinder heads should prevail.

respected lol

I do believe these are made by riots or individual or may just fake accusation, it's not fair/ wise to count these acts on ALL minority, agree ?

For sure these are individual acts and some are made by guy had mental problem


http://english.astroawani.com/malay...-remain-calm-over-ipoh-temple-incident-103625

for your opinion , does one anti-Muslims act made by a Hindu represent ALL Hindus ?

 

[Vinayaka]

I don't understand half of what you've written. There is a language barrier that may be difficult to overcome. In many cases it is indeed individual acts by individual people, and often they are somewhat insane. However, sometimes entire governments do discriminate by passing laws against certain things which minorites do. For example:

"On December 2, 1978, General Muhammad Zia-ul-Haq delivered a nationwide address on the occasion of the first day of the Hijra calendar. He did this in order to usher in an Islamic system to Pakistan. In the speech, he accused politicians of exploiting the name of Islam, saying that "many a ruler did what they pleased in the name of Islam." ... from Wikipedia

I'm a reasonable person so I wouldn't blame all Muslims or Hindus or Christians or atheists or anybody for the acts of one individual who happens to be of that religion.

 

[Godobeyer]

I believe most Muslims are nice,

Now you said most of Muslims are nice !!!!


before in supposing crime of train you said "Muslims" instead of "some Muslims" or "supposing some Muslims done that"



You used generalizing in evil,but in nice it's "most", see ?