Nerthus
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This is a good subject for debate, I feel.
Not you personally, but the nature/ nurture element of life and people.
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What if "Good" and "Evil" were in the reverse?
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This is a good subject for debate, I feel.
Not you personally, but the nature/ nurture element of life and people.
It would be a nonsensical situation leading to the collapse of society. (In fact, not much of a society would be able to be constructed in the first place.)
Even among cultures that have been considered rather immoral by other cultures throughout history, they tend to still have some reasonable laws amidst their craziness, like don't steal, don't indiscriminately kill, and so forth. They do get some other things wrong, like limiting freedom, allowing sexism and abuse, or being excessively racist. They still provide themselves with a foundation to stand on, though, at least for a while.
If people were imprisoned for doing good, no legal system would even be able to stand, as it would be full of people who necessarily do bad things. Things like going to work, having a home, working together, and so forth, would be impossible.
Danmac
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People that reject the idea of objective morality tend to change laws to fit their own agendas. Like the democratic party. People that believe in God attempt to change laws, not according to their own agendas, but according to God's.
Primordial Annihilator
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There is no objective morality Danmac...morality is a subjective human invention.
I know this because humans are one miserable species on one little backward planet...out of billions.
Plus of course I have no moral compass...in fact I am quite amoral by some standards and have no problem with that as long as I dont break the rules AND get caught.
There are only social contracts that are codified into law.
The democrats have every right to change laws for justifiable reasons...if new laws are needed or old ones to be removed...to better society.
gnomon
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Trust me, people that change the law to fit what they call God's law are also changing laws to fit their own agenda.
I wonder between the Catholics and the Protestants in Northern Ireland who holds the objective morality.
Danmac
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Danmac
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To live by the golden rule of Christianity is to live by what is best for civilization as a whole. Sometimes that requires self denial. So the agenda is to do what is best to further mankind, and not my own agenda.
Could you summarize the golden rule?
Primordial Annihilator
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No I am saying morality is subjective...to an individual a culture a species...
Not really...I just don't pay much attention to laws.
Twilight Hue
Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
There would be a change in subjectivity based on appeal. Given such a scenario, the appeal of evil would in fact become a notion of good. Ironic.
mohammed_beiruti
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do you like for your brother(in humanity) what you like for youeself?
for example , do you like pain ?
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Thesavorofpan
Is not going to save you.
There would be no society. It would be chaos. survival of the fitest. Just read The Road if you need an example.
Danmac
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Put the needs of others ahead of your own. All others.
Danmac
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So rape, and child molestation should be permitted in some cultures?
I'm sure you pay attention to the ones that serve your purposes.
I was curious, since I've seen several "golden rules". I favor the reciprocity oriented versions.
It's funny how people of no religion & of different religions often arrive at it. But I'm surprised
by how many people & religions reject it. So much for its being absolute, eh?
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Primordial Annihilator
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You mean should I judge other cultures for having different social contracts to mine?
No..it is not my place to judge..I don't have to like it though.
Of course...I dont drink alcohol so I would welcome a ban on alcohol.
Primordial Annihilator
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The Golden Rule is a workable ideal...but an ideal is all it is...one of many.
I prefer my vision of the Greater Good philosophy...which might be part of someones interpretation of the Golden Rule...
In which your every act should be as holistic as possible...you dont litter...you dont steal...you dont lie...you dont act irresponsibly and selfishly...because all those irresponsible and selfish acts damage the whole.
The individual strives to do things for the Greater Good of everyone and everything.
This is not a rule, this is an ideal...that can only be reached by truly selfless people.
Danmac
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The bible teaches that God is love, His law is therefore love. The question is, what is love. The bible teaches that love causes no harm in any way shape or form to others. Love takes no thought for itself. Love is not selfish. Love is more concerned for the welfare of others than it is for itself. Love would sacrifice its own life for the life of its enemy.
Danmac
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So you promote anarchy then?
Are you suggesting that there is something wrong with drinking alcohol?Of course...I dont drink alcohol so I would welcome a ban on alcohol.