I find that very sad.Abram said:
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What if I'm wrong????
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Harvey Wallbanger
My heart and thoughts go out to you. I can only speak from my own expiriences with this struggle though. Many find that the struggles and questioning only make them stronger and their blind faith a more true belief. If you are Christian then, go back and take solice in stories such as Job or Jesus being tested in the desert. Perhaps you will find more than faith!.... or maybe a new path as I did. (I will be happy to tell you of my expirience with this fight privately or publicly on this thread- merely ask and ye shall receive)
The only advise I could give would be to say thus:
To know THYSELF is to love thyself.
To love theyself is to love others.
To love others is to love God.
Many act without knowing what it is they are doing. Find yourself and then you will start to find answers that no other person can give you. Then you may act accordingly, with a pure spirit and mind. That you may be troubled no more someday:angel2:
The only advise I could give would be to say thus:
To know THYSELF is to love thyself.
To love theyself is to love others.
To love others is to love God.
Many act without knowing what it is they are doing. Find yourself and then you will start to find answers that no other person can give you. Then you may act accordingly, with a pure spirit and mind. That you may be troubled no more someday:angel2:
Incredible how open you were in your post, Abram. :flower:
I think your faith is being put to the ultimate test, and this is actually a very good thing IMO. If one were never tested, one can't ever grow spiritually. In the long run, then, this great test of your faith will produce great results if you have the courage to continue down this path.
BTW, if the Jews ARE right, then I'll be in the same place as you, Abram.
Peace,
Mystic
I think your faith is being put to the ultimate test, and this is actually a very good thing IMO. If one were never tested, one can't ever grow spiritually. In the long run, then, this great test of your faith will produce great results if you have the courage to continue down this path.
BTW, if the Jews ARE right, then I'll be in the same place as you, Abram.
Peace,
Mystic
BFD_Zayl
Well-Known Member
*slaps you upside the head*:slap: do NOT doubt yourself!!! those are the people i loathe the most are the people who balance on the fence, always asking themselves "is this right? or is that?" take CONFIDENCE in what you do and what you believe, ive seen people tear themselves apart and commit suicide because they had no idea what to do, but you have an idea, its a small spark now but blow on it and it will become a fire in your soul. i once doubted myself, and that was the worst year of my life. but i gained hope and now im doing great. wrong and right in this case are what you percive them to be. im sorry if i was harsh in any way. but c'mon people honestly. i hope everyone takes a lesson from what ive said, having confidence in what you do is crucial to life, it might turn out you were wrong, so what? a mistake is better then no action at all, at least you can learn from mistakes. right?
Karl R
Active Member
When Gandhi decided something must be done about British imperialism in India, he spent several years in isolation, meditating and praying, before he came out and began to act.BFD_Asatru said:
President Bush and Reverend Phelps have complete confidence in what they believe. I think the world would be better off if they had some doubts.BFD_Asatru said:
Doubt isn't pleasant, but if you confront and explore your doubts, your faith will grow.BFD_Asatru said:
It's the people who hide from the unpleasantness of doubt that fail to make progress.
What if your action kills someone? You might be able to learn from your mistake, but you will definitely cramp the learning curve of the deceased.BFD_Asatru said:
Of course, your inaction might kill someone, so you can't make a policy of hesitating either.
A music instructor of mine once said, "If you're going to make a mistake, make a good, loud mistake." That works fine for music. A mistake just costs you a little bit of embarassment. It's not a good philosophy for all of life, where the cost can run much higher.
SoyLeche
meh...
Here's a hint - you are wrong, at least in some ways.
One of my favorite things that my Probability teacher said was "All models are wrong. Some of them are useful."
We are trying to describe something that we can't even begin to imagine. Of course we are wrong. Kinda makes you want to be a bit more charitable to people that are wrong about religion in different ways than you are, doesn't it.
One of my favorite things that my Probability teacher said was "All models are wrong. Some of them are useful."
We are trying to describe something that we can't even begin to imagine. Of course we are wrong. Kinda makes you want to be a bit more charitable to people that are wrong about religion in different ways than you are, doesn't it.
You said earlier in the thread that there are no answers, only more questions? The same "problem" exists in science. Investigating a hypothesis seems to generate a myriad of hypotheses. Maybe you are right to question, but wrong to worry about it. Life is a journey.... Incidentally, I think it is of interest here that natural languages have the capacity for infinite creative expression from finite phonological inputs. It wouldn't matter except we use it.Abram said:
BFD_Zayl
Well-Known Member
ok, lets see if i can break it down for you guys. i act on blind passion, emotion,honor, and plain gut feeling. its just the person i am, and i realise that there are lots of people out there that like to think things over for a long time. but i am not like that and no matter how you explain it i wont get it. acting both ways can either benefit you or get you into serious trouble. to put it into laymans terms, running blind (the way i do) is the equivilent of running across a battle fied guns blazing, you can either be a hero, or look down and find yourself standing on a landmine, thinking about it is the same as sitting in a trench for hours, carefully taking aim and shooting, you might survive and win, or get hit in the head with a grenade. i think most people will understand that analogy...
ikitikitembo
Member
Abram, there's a simple cure to your headache. Truth. Tell people the truth about how you feel. Just because you believe in something, and you want to get the logic of your belief across, doesn't mean you have to lie to them and tell them they are wrong and you are right. Simply tell them that you know there is a God, and you have chosen what you believe to be the most logical choice of who that God is, or what messages he has for the world. Tell them you are not 100% sure that what you believe is actually right, just what you think is most probable. If they provide a better logic for the God they believe in, be honest, and let them change you. If what they say about their God doesn't seem to be "up to par" on what you think is the truth, carefully and respectfully explain to them why you think the way you think. You don't have to say to them: "I'm right, you're wrong", because that would be a lie. You really don't know if you are right. Just be honest, truthful, gentle, and trust me, you'll do just fine.
ikitikitembo
Member
Oh yeah, and If you still feel uncomfortable expressing what you believe is the truth, it must mean that you really don't have a secure enough position on that faith to feel comfortable convincing it to other people. Just be honest and say: "All I know is that there is a God. I really don't know who that God could be. May I ask your opinion on the matter?" Maybe they will give you a new perspective that you have never thought of before, maybe not. If they do, be truthful, and tell them you'll look deeper into it. If not, explain to them respectully why it's hard for you to believe what they're saying. If they become irritated or over-defensive, then just walk away from it because you know what: You did all you could do.
Mathematician
Reason, and reason again
:hug: This post shows us you care about the eventual well-being of all humanity, which, right now, is the most important trait one can have.