What if Jesus were a Woman?

[roger1440]

If you believe that a Christ character existed in general, but especially if you're a trinitarian Christian, what if the Christ was a female instead of a male? Would her voice be heard during those times?

Yes, but instead of turning water into wine, she would just whine.

 

[roger1440]

The jews had a great prophetess and general named Devorah.

Yeah, but look at the story. Israel wasn’t doing very well at the time. Actually it was doing pretty badly. The guys probably said, “Let’s give her the job, things can’t get any worse than they are now. We have nothing to lose.”

 

[Shiranui117]

The gender of your deity is that important to you?

It's basically the same as asking, "What if you were the opposite gender?" It's odd to sit down and actually, seriously think about, is it not? You're so used to things the way they are now, it's hard to fully comprehend how different or flipped everything would be if another circumstance were the case.

 

[Alceste]

It's basically the same as asking, "What if you were the opposite gender?" It's odd to sit down and actually, seriously think about, is it not? You're so used to things the way they are now, it's hard to fully comprehend how different or flipped everything would be if another circumstance were the case.

Not really. I've got a pretty good idea of how things works be different if I were a man. I'd be making a lot more money and it would be easier to have an orgasm during sex. Otherwise, things would be pretty much the same.

 

[nazz]

If you believe that a Christ character existed in general, but especially if you're a trinitarian Christian, what if the Christ was a female instead of a male? Would her voice be heard during those times?

Doubtful seeing how patriarchal that society was.

 

[Kilgore Trout]

The real messiah was a woman. Of course, no one ever listened to her message or noticed her, and she faded from memory. Instead, we were left with the rantings of some schizophrenic lunatic.

 

[Yadon]

It's basically the same as asking, "What if you were the opposite gender?" It's odd to sit down and actually, seriously think about, is it not? You're so used to things the way they are now, it's hard to fully comprehend how different or flipped everything would be if another circumstance were the case.

If I was a woman I would probably be more popular and accepted.

 

[Alceste]

The real messiah was a woman. Of course, no one ever listened to her message or noticed her, and she faded from memory. Instead, we were left with the rantings of some schizophrenic lunatic.

Hildegard of Bingen - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[idav]

If you believe that a Christ character existed in general, but especially if you're a trinitarian Christian, what if the Christ was a female instead of a male? Would her voice be heard during those times?

Idk about that. Paul woulda told her to be silent in church.

 

[Shiranui117]

Idk about that. Paul woulda told her to be silent in church.

Not if she appeared to Paul along the road to Damascus as the Messiah and Savior.

 

[Nooj]

If you believe that a Christ character existed in general, but especially if you're a trinitarian Christian, what if the Christ was a female instead of a male? Would her voice be heard during those times?

i believe that christ was incarnated as a man for contingent reasons. jesus was male per accidens and not per se, so to speak.

i think it is good to think about it. because it makes me think more about the trinity. if jesus was born as a female, a woman, then what does this mean (if anything) for the trinity? we say the father, the son and the holy spirit, but there is no sex in the trinity.

we analogise our gender roles onto the persons of the trinity and have done so based on traditional ideas about generation, reception and insemination. the father is called the father because we think of him as the inseminator (in some sense) of the son, who is in some sense begotten of the father. that is because the father since ancient times was thought to be the principle agent of generation and the mother was the recepticle for his sperm.

people like hans urs von balthasar seriously consider the son (not the historical jesus, but the son as the second person of the trinity) as feminine because the son receives what the father gives. but also masculine because the father and son breathes out (according to western christianity) the holy spirit who is considered to be feminine because it is the receiver of this divine gift.

but i don't think this is good thinking at all. it's not only a reflection of the masculinist culture and thinking that (male) theologians have formulated the idea of the trinity in, but it theologises their masculinist beliefs into the very structure of god himself. if the son is thought to be feminine, it's only because he is considered by them to be a man playing the part of a woman and the part of a woman is considered to be someone who takes, not gives.

in truth, our gender relations are a distant mockery of the loving relationship between the persons of the trinity, the trinity should not be an imitation of our gender relations. i see no reason regarding the trinity itself as to why the son couldn't have incarnated as a woman.

Hildegard of Bingen - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

funny you should mention her. i have one of her works 'scivias' in front of me right now.

 

[Urizen]

If you believe that a Christ character existed in general, but especially if you're a trinitarian Christian, what if the Christ was a female instead of a male? Would her voice be heard during those times?

Male and female descend to us from the divine level. The male principle proceeds from the Absolute, which is called God the Father. He is Order, Truth, Necessity. The female principle proceeds from Infinitude, which is hydra-headed Mother Chaos surrounded by the daughters of illusion -- the "nothing" from which God "made" the world. But that nothing is also pure potentiality and infinite possibility. God actualises existence by 'observing' portions of infinitude - metaphorically speaking, the world is a thought inside the mind of Gos. Since Christ is the incarnation of God the Father, it is impossible that Christ should be a woman. The earth, however, is essentially a manifestation of the female principle. Evil also originates in Infinitude, although the female principle itself is sanctified by God, just as Mary is the fulfillment of Eve, on our level. Satan is often represented homosexual for the same reason; the ingression of Chaos on the angelic plane as 'rebellion'. Infinity bleeds into everything.

 

[Me Myself]

Oh God, why are you doing this to me xD ;(

In all seriousness though... If Jesus was a woman? To me, that's like asking if we lived on Mars instead of Earth. It's kinda incomprehensible to me and hard to think about, but if that was the way things were, then that'd just be the way things were. God would definitely be depicted more with a feminine side... In the name of the Father, the Daughter and the Holy Spirit? Lady Jessie Christ, Daughter of the Living God, have mercy on me, a sinner? So weird x_x

You ask me, the only weird thing is they made thier club priotected against cutties.

 

[Drolefille]

If Jesus had been born as a woman there would have been a ton of sexist jokes and comments about what she was wearing and seeing her naked.

Oh wait look. Maybe that's just what happens when you ASK if Jesus had been a woman.

 

[CMike]

Batya means daughter of G-d so that position was already taken.