The religious take issue with a lot of things. I wouldn't worry about it.
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What "if" you are wrong
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The religious take issue with a lot of things. I wouldn't worry about it.
Isn't that closer to "ignostic"?
Either way, "I don't know" is still "I don't know." If one takes it beyond that and says that something is "unknowable," that would be a postulate, not a statement indicating lack of knowledge.
RestlessSoul
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I understand your point, but I don’t quite see it that way. For me, acquiring new knowledge is really a process of adopting and making sense of new perspectives. Doing so doesn’t necessarily mean the old perspectives were wrong, or the new ones are more right. Think of a painting by Picasso, where he includes multiple perspectives in a single two dimensional image. Logic says this shouldn’t work, as a form of representative art, but somehow it does.
This is how I try to make sense of the world, by acquiring as many perspectives as possible, and trying to reconcile them - a process which requires intuition and inspiration as well as logic and reason. With reason alone, or equally with intuition alone, one can only get a limited perspective, imo.
I should add that this is a dynamic process, so all perspectives are being constantly adjusted. But not jettisoned entirely, for how can we jettison those things which formed and informed who we are now?
A god who chooses to hide then penalizes those who can't find him... what are we to make of that?
This is because many religious people don't understand atheism. I would go as far as to say the majority think atheism is flat out rejection of any gods and religions.
Already answered in post #25.
I would venture to guess because it's not about right views. It's about right action.
Ajax
Active Member
Because I am an agnostic perhaps?
I take issue with that opinion.
Ajax
Active Member
I said....because he (God) can not be proven, nor disproven.
That we suck at hide-and-go-seek?
Fair enough. Based on your posts and your profile, I had concluded that you were Christian.Because I am an agnostic perhaps?
My humble apologies.
Why are you a Christian agnostic and not a...I don't know...Muslim agnostic?
Ajax
Active Member
No need for apologies. My profile is wrong and don't know how to change it. I will give it another try...
The term "agnostic" in religion refers to not knowing if there is a God and therefore is irrelevant if it is the Christian God, or the Muslim one, or any of the other 3000+ gods people believed in the human history.
To explain further, I was born in a Christian country, from Christian parents and became an agnostic few years ago, when I decided to study the Bible!
Thanks for the explanation. I'll drop you a PM to see if I can help you with your profile.
Altfish
Veteran Member
I take it that I won't need my big coat?
Hermit Philosopher
Selflessly here for you
It would appear sensible to say that whether one is of faith or not, what continuously “matters” most cannot be what one may or may not believe, but the outcomes (multiple) of what one does/does not.
Regardless of whether through choice or circumstance, action or inaction, understanding or ignorance, love or hate -whatever our beliefs- we each, constantly contribute to what is. We are always part of what occurs and therefore also part of what follows. So, if we believe ourselves to be “right” about something, but turn out to be “wrong” (i.e. what we expect, was not); you tell me what significance that has and to whom…
As with most things in this wondrous existence that we are part of, we here see that relations between beliefs, actions and outcomes are paradoxical in that if you did not believe what you do, you would do differently and outcomes and circumstances would slightly shift.
So while your beliefs may appear irrelevant in the grand scheme of things, at the same time they are everything and to you personally, they always were.
Humbly,
Hermit
Given is about 42 degrees latitude, you would need it when Hell freezes over.
No; "ignostic" is roughly "the term 'god' hasn't been defined sufficiently to evaluate any statement involving the term."
That's my point. A person isn't an agnostic unless they make that leap.
How do you know?
Indeed.
What if I'm wrong assuming the driver in the oncoming lane is sober?
What if I'm wrong assuming the water from my tap is safe to drink?
What if I'm wrong assuming that the nails in my workshop haven't been replaced with explosives that are detonated by a sharp blow?
What if the sand worms from Dune are real and will pop out of the ground to swallow me whole unless I walk without rhythm?
What if there's a cursed Chicken McNugget somewhere in the world and if it gets eaten, I'll be magically tortured for eternity?
From my perspective, all of these other worries are worth more of my concern than the worry that gods might be real and might want to hurt me.