What if you're a Masochist?

[Engyo]

The masochist said, "Hurt me, hurt me!"

The sadist said, "No."

 

[blackout]

I think you know the answer.

This was not inteded to be a joke thread.

Is the command to "do unto others as you would have them do unto you"
perhaps not as simplistic as most christians seem to believe it is?

"Love others as you love yourself" is even more of a Pandora's box.

I really did want to discuss this.

 

[Engyo]

Apologies - not meaning to make light of the topic at all.

I think that for me, I can take the concept of giving and receiving implicit in a BDSM type physical relationship and place that within the context of "Doing unto others as you would be done by". Not the individual giving or receiving separately, but the entire transaction as a whole.

Just as in any other physical relationship, each partner may have preferred activities (pleasures) and each may offer the partner his/her preference even though it isn't the offerer's own preference. Hopefully that's not too convoluted to make sense of.....

 

[blackout]

Apologies - not meaning to make light of the topic at all.

I think that for me, I can take the concept of giving and receiving implicit in a BDSM type physical relationship and place that within the context of "Doing unto others as you would be done by". Not the individual giving or receiving separately, but the entire transaction as a whole.

Just as in any other physical relationship, each partner may have preferred activities (pleasures) and each may offer the partner his/her preference even though it isn't the offerer's own preference. Hopefully that's not too convoluted to make sense of.....

But isn't that REALLY more of....

"Do unto your neighbor as your neighbor would like done unto them"?

And is that commandment really any better or worse than the original?
I don't really know. Haven't thought it through.


*PS... I have NO problem with humor in the thread. Humor is great.
I was just confirming that my questions are posed with serious intent.

 

[blackout]

To clarify...

Masochism is not limited to sexuality,
and is sometimes used figuratively/loosely
to refer to a person who encourages even expects others to treat them poorly.

Would it be good for a person like this to attempt to love their neighbor as they love themself?

 

[blackout]

Apologies - not meaning to make light of the topic at all.

I think that for me, I can take the concept of giving and receiving implicit in a BDSM type physical relationship and place that within the context of "Doing unto others as you would be done by". Not the individual giving or receiving separately, but the entire transaction as a whole.

Just as in any other physical relationship, each partner may have preferred activities (pleasures) and each may offer the partner his/her preference even though it isn't the offerer's own preference. Hopefully that's not too convoluted to make sense of.....

You just made me think...

"Do others as you would have others Do you" haha. :sorry1:

 

[Wandered Off]

]Is the command to "do unto others as you would have them do unto you"
perhaps not as simplistic as most christians seem to believe it is?

Yes, you have to look deeper. I like peas, but that doesn't mean I should offer peas to someone I know who hates them and check the box that says I followed the command.

I think of it more like, "Do unto others as they would have you do unto them. We want what pleases us, so do unto others what pleases them.

 

[blackout]

Yes, you have to look deeper. I like peas, but that doesn't mean I should offer peas to someone I know who hates them and check the box that says I followed the command.

I think of it more like, "Do unto others as they would have you do unto them. We want what pleases us, so do unto others what pleases them.

Right. Like mine.

"Do unto your neighbor as your neighbor would like done unto them"?

Only you said it much better.

Do unto others as they would have you do unto them.

I think it's time to start a new thread. :yes:

 

[3.14]

so what if you have selfdestructive behavior should you do onto others?

 

[Elessar]

I tend, myself, to, when thinking about applying this principle, add the corollary:

"Do unto others as you would have them do unto you" if you were them

In that case, if I were a masochist (which, I'm not), and I knew the other person was not a masochist (which, I am. Not a masochist, that is), I would treat them as they want to be treated and, in return, expect that I be treated the way I want to be treated.

To simply read a single saying out of scriptures out of context and simply apply it without thought is failure to understand the deeper meaning of the texts and the underlying intent of the preacher or author - in this case, the Rabbi.

 

[Bitterfly]

so what if you have selfdestructive behavior should you do onto others?

..wha?

 

[blackout]

If you do destructive things unto yourSelf...
should you then do the same destructive things to your neighbor's "Self".
(as in "Doing unto your neighbor as yourSelf")

I believe, is what 3.14 meant.

 

[3.14]

in the netherlands we have a saying that works pretty much from the oposite pov

"zoals de waart is vertrouwt hij zijn gasten"

basicly

as the "innkeepers" is, is how he trusts his guests

so if the innkeeper is "mean" he will asume everyone is mean, and act accordingly
but if the inkeeper is nice he will assume everyone is nice, and act accordingly


so in this its the other person who treats people like he would treat them

 

[Francis]

I laughed when i first read the idea, but it mademe think. I suppose that yeah, if you like people being mean to you, then you should be mean to them. It works! Peace!

 

[Bitterfly]

I understood what he was asking, just not why he asked it

If you do destructive things unto yourSelf...
should you then do the same destructive things to your neighbor's "Self".
(as in "Doing unto your neighbor as yourSelf")

Yeah, if you want to be in jail or dead, especially if you act that nonsense out in Texas. If some gun nut will kill some kids for stealing his Twinkies, then you know you're not gonna have much wiggle room.

 

[Functionless]

This would only be a problem if the masochist wanted people to come up to them and hurt them without their explicit consent.

However, the masochist would want to enjoy this. Therefore, if the masochist truly intends to do onto others as they want done to them, they must find a person who they are positive would enjoy being hurt before they hurt them.

 

[Enoch07]

Yeah, if you want to be in jail or dead, especially if you act that nonsense out in Texas. If some gun nut will kill some kids for stealing his Twinkies, then you know you're not gonna have much wiggle room.

That was my point as well in my post. Masochist like pain but they have boundaries and safe words for when it gets too serious/too much. There are people out there that if you wish to harm them or for them to harm you, they do not know when to stop. Be careful what you wish for because you may get more than you want, and find yourself in a bad situation.