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- Thread starter Maya3
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ratikala
Istha gosthi
dear maya ,
nothing , just be
nothing , just be
yes , no ilusions ,
no , every thing would be perfectly clear , as a day with no clouds , no obscurations
not in the least
not in the least , but releived maybe
En'me
RightBehindEveryoneElse
Yah, probably, you know, merge with Brahman and let my body drop dead?
But if you mean Samadhi then, there can be no surprise where there is no duality.
Moksha does not scare me, but I do not strongly desire it, since the thought of loss of individual indentity and merging with the Brahman doesn't not sound appealing, even if Rishis describe it as being complete satcitananda. I have no idea how "living" or just "being" in Brahman is. I'm quite attached to performing constant karma.
The thought doesn't make me excited; my main mode of operation is Rajas. Sattva comes later, Tamas even later.
The only thing that would change or disappear rather, is avidya. Which is not bad all in all. And maybe Siddhis. That'd be awesome. Flying is awesome.
Right? Right?? Anyone?
Hello Maya
My understanding is that Moksha whilst living would change the questions you ask because the sense of "you" becomes redefined.
There will still be emotions, appetite and so on, but these becomes less personal (but not impersonal) and can be seen as natural functions (as they are now, but that becomes clear in context).
So fear and excitement arise and pass away, as they might now, however "you" may remain unperturbed by either. To use a rather petty analogy: imagine you are walking and a sudden strong breeze blows your face and hair, forcing you to close your eyes for a second or two, and you think "Oh, that was a strong burst of wind!" and you continue walking. Likewise for fear or excitement: "oh that's fear." and you continue doing.
Just an opinion.
Hari om.
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Maya3
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Thanks for all your answers
From my understanding Samadhi is the deep state in meditation when you join God and realize that you are part of God. But once you get out of your meditation you get back to your regular state, (with a little more insight)
Moksha is when you drop the body and join God and don't have to take another form again.
But I also think that Self Realization is Moksha when you are still in the body, like the (very few) enlightened masters we have and have had. Ramakrishna or Maharishi for example.
Onkara,
I like your wind example!
Maya
From my understanding Samadhi is the deep state in meditation when you join God and realize that you are part of God. But once you get out of your meditation you get back to your regular state, (with a little more insight)
Moksha is when you drop the body and join God and don't have to take another form again.
But I also think that Self Realization is Moksha when you are still in the body, like the (very few) enlightened masters we have and have had. Ramakrishna or Maharishi for example.
Onkara,
I like your wind example!
Maya
En'me
RightBehindEveryoneElse
I think that what you're referring to is still samadhi, albeit the last level of Samadhi, called Sahaja Samadhi; where one's consciousness is fully absorbed in Brahman and is still able to fully function in this world.
A "level down" is Nirvikalpa Samadhi, which is Samadhi in which your consciousness is also fully merged with Brahman. You never fall from this Samadhi. Your body either dies and you reach Nirvana OR you stay in Nirvakalpa Samadhi and become fully functional in this world (I don't know how though), which would be called Sahaja (Nirvikalpa) Samadhi.
I think. Most likely. Probably... Maybe.
A "level down" is Nirvikalpa Samadhi, which is Samadhi in which your consciousness is also fully merged with Brahman. You never fall from this Samadhi. Your body either dies and you reach Nirvana OR you stay in Nirvakalpa Samadhi and become fully functional in this world (I don't know how though), which would be called Sahaja (Nirvikalpa) Samadhi.
I think. Most likely. Probably... Maybe.
Maya3
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Surya Deva
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Moksha is the last purushartha of life. It is only for those who have transcended their lesser goals of kama, artha and dharma. You must have extreme dispassion for the entire world and the pleasures, rewards and duties it has to offer, until you become a mumukshu and crave for moksha.
Let's face it most of us are not ready for it. In fact I can pretty much guarantee after reading the life of saints and masters, that if you are not born with the yearning for moksha, you are not going to attain moksha in this life.
Let's face it most of us are not ready for it. In fact I can pretty much guarantee after reading the life of saints and masters, that if you are not born with the yearning for moksha, you are not going to attain moksha in this life.
"There is neither dissolution nor creation, none in bondage and none practicing disciplines. There is none seeking Liberation and none liberated. This is the absolute truth."
We all are already liberated.
chinu
chinu
It simply means that i reached moksha.
For example: What if i ate an apple ? It simply means i ate an apple.
As its impossible to define the taste of apple using any other example, Similarly its impossible to define the taste of MOKSHA using any other example.
My understanding is that moksha means release from the cycle, not having to reincarnate again, and isn't a state in and of itself. Nirvikalpa samadhi, Self-Realisation is the cause for moksha. After theis deep samadhi, the enlightened soul has a choice of whether or not to reincarnate.
ratikala
Istha gosthi
It simply means that i reached moksha.
For example: What if i ate an apple ? It simply means i ate an apple.
excelent and simple answer
chinu
chinu
Thanxexcelent and simple answer
What about the thought that as long as you have craving for individual experience then you are not ready for moksha. But as some point, the state of incomplete sat-chit-ananda will not staisfy and moksha will be desired. So there is nothing to fear in moksha as it only occurs when you're ready.
Another thought on this topic.
Do you people think moksha is normally reached when you are in a physical body? Or do you think we have incarnations on the super-physical planes and moksha is attained through these experiences?
Do you people think moksha is normally reached when you are in a physical body? Or do you think we have incarnations on the super-physical planes and moksha is attained through these experiences?
Namaste George
My view is that there is nothing to fear in moksha. Fear and craving are both emotions or ideas which arise in Divine Consciousness. So although these are valid question they are only relatively real, that is real as long as they last and not something which cannot stop Self-realisation. They can hamper it because they are obstacles which require attention and the mind becomes distracted by them thinking fear and craving to be equal to "I" (or me).
There are different views in Vedanta. For example Adi Shankaracharya holds that moksha occours in the body, where as the later Vedantins hold that moksha is not complete whilst living due to the body etc.
My personal conclusion to date is that self-realisation is true but restricted by the body-mind (prakriti). Hence one is liberated but bound to serve until death at which point there is complete moksha (dramatic as that might sound).
Nice questions, I would be interested in your point of view too.
There are different views in Vedanta. For example Adi Shankaracharya holds that moksha occours in the body, where as the later Vedantins hold that moksha is not complete whilst living due to the body etc.
My personal conclusion to date is that self-realisation is true but restricted by the body-mind (prakriti). Hence one is liberated but bound to serve until death at which point there is complete moksha (dramatic as that might sound).
I'm not completely clear on your answer. I was questioning more from the idea that this universe is teeming with entities of which only a tiny, tiny fraction have physical bodies. I was thinking more like after the human experience, many may continue to incarnate non-human entities and grow towards moksha from those experiences.
I am wondering if many of our understandings are naturally too human-centric.