What inspired homophobia?

[Nietzsche]

Excuse my ignorance...but in what culture and time did Jews forcibly convert?

Largely in the Middle East, with the majority of it occurring between 134-37BCE, and then again in what is now the coastal regions of Saudi Arabia in 524CE, though in that regard it only lasted for a short period of time.

Judaism certainly isn't as bad at it as its child-faiths but it did happen.

 

[enthused antagonist]

Judaism is not a proselytizing faith. For what cause did the Jews forcibly convert? Can you privide a link for more information? I cannot seem to find anything.

 

[Nietzsche]

Judaism is not a proselytizing faith.

It is supposed to not proselytize, yes. But the actions of its adherents are another thing altogether.

For what cause did the Jews forcibly convert? Can you privide a link for more information? I cannot seem to find anything.

The Hasmonean Kingdom/Dynasty did it. As for why, I do not know, but Alexander Jannaeus razed the city of Pella when its inhabitants refused conversion. In the case of the Saudi Arabian one, it was a Yemeni-Jewish tribe who did it. Massacred 22,000 Christians to do it.

 

[oldbadger]

What inspired homophobia?

Increasing tribal population numbers ...

There you have it.
Any condition or act which might put a tribe at risk, or lower its chances of survival was made sinful.
Most laws were all about avoiding sickness and increasing strength. The shellfish-ban is a typical example.
Adultery and fornication could also lead to a tribe's demise.
Homosexuality would not help to increase its strength.
And humans hang on to prejudice...... tightly.

But today we could ignore many such 'rules' and 'laws'. They are not needed any more.
New World. New Ways. New Freedoms.
But new rules, also!

 

[enthused antagonist]

It is supposed to not proselytize, yes. But the actions of its adherents are another thing altogether.


The Hasmonean Kingdom/Dynasty did it. As for why, I do not know, but Alexander Jannaeus razed the city of Pella when its inhabitants refused conversion. In the case of the Saudi Arabian one, it was a Yemeni-Jewish tribe who did it. Massacred 22,000 Christians to do it.

I googled your subject matter and couldn't find anything to support a massive conversion of non Jews to Judaism by force.

There you have it.
Any condition or act which might put a tribe at risk, or lower its chances of survival was made sinful.
Most laws were all about avoiding sickness and increasing strength. The shellfish-ban is a typical example.
Adultery and fornication could also lead to a tribe's demise.
Homosexuality would not help to increase its strength.
And humans hang on to prejudice...... tightly.

But today we could ignore many such 'rules' and 'laws'. They are not needed any more.
New World. New Ways. New Freedoms.
But new rules, also!

Religious tenants, laws, practices and beliefs are frequntly detrimental. Sacrificing healthy livestock, to appease the gods..or healthy potentially child rearing/fertile young adults... Handling snakes, drinking poison, repressing science and knowledge...
Adultery, fornication, and homosexuality have been around as long as mankind has. Humanity flourises despite them.

 

[Marisa]

Reading many threads on homosexuality, gay marriage, LGBT concerns and so on it dawned on me that I do not know WHY homosexuality has been so demonised. It is a victimless crime if it is a crime at all, and seems to be something that concerns nobody other than the participants - so where does the fear come from? What are we afraid of? Why have so many cultures reacted so strongly against what appears to be perfectly normal behaviour?

I think it's human nature to fear what's different.

 

[enthused antagonist]

I think it's human nature to fear what's different.

I agree.
There is also huge influence regarding the mob and charismatic leadership. Masses can be convinced gassing millions of Jews is good. And holding slaves is okay. Cutting mens balls off and burning witches is ok.
Typically the really awful things the religious engage in are group efforts financed and encouraged by politicians.

Homosexuals are no threat in America... Men aren't afraid their wives are going to flock to their male hairdresser and beg to have his babies and girl on girl porn sells huge. Men aren't afraid gay women will be the end of sex and the human race. There is still a little protest regarding homosexuality, but the voice of oppoaition gets more quiet daily. The church held on they could. The church will always reconsider what God means or has to say when society makes it impossible for the institution to survive otherwise. I think long held religious notions proven false or necessarily conceded are threatening to the faith and religious institutions. Have you ever heard a highly educated Christian try to resolve an all knowing god open to consider your prayerful petitions and pursue a different course of action or intervention?

 

[Marisa]

I agree.
There is also huge influence regarding the mob and charismatic leadership. Masses can be convinced gassing millions of Jews is good. And holding slaves is okay. Cutting mens balls off and burning witches is ok.
Typically the really awful things the religious engage in are group efforts financed and encouraged by politicians.

Throwing religion into the mix creates a whole different ball of wax. You don't need religion to fear what's not like you, but it does help to believe that your god is okie dokie with you dehumanizing that "other" and then visiting atrocities upon it.

Homosexuals are no threat in America... Men aren't afraid their wives are going to flock to their male hairdresser and beg to have his babies and girl on girl porn sells huge. Men aren't afraid gay women will be the end of sex and the human race. There is still a little protest regarding homosexuality, but the voice of oppoaition gets more quiet daily. The church held on they could. The church will always reconsider what God means or has to say when society makes it impossible for the institution to survive otherwise. I think long held religious notions proven false or necessarily conceded are threatening to the faith and religious institutions. Have you ever heard a highly educated Christian try to resolve an all knowing god open to consider your prayerful petitions and pursue a different course of action or intervention?

I think this has as much to do with the fact that the most cutting thing you can do to a man is feminize him, call him a woman. Our society values women differently than it does men. Women are promiscuous, men are studs. Women are *****es, men are assertive.

 

[enthused antagonist]

Throwing religion into the mix creates a whole different ball of wax. You don't need religion to fear what's not like you, but it does help to believe that your god is okie dokie with you dehumanizing that "other" and then visiting atrocities upon it.


I think this has as much to do with the fact that the most cutting thing you can do to a man is feminize him, call him a woman. Our society values women differently than it does men. Women are promiscuous, men are studs. Women are *****es, men are assertive.

Debating homosexual marriage is as futile as trying to overturn Roe v. Wade or Prohibition. Gay marriage will happen and soon. Marijuana will be largely legal in the US soon. Healthcare will be socialized here soon. We will not deport the illegal aliens that come from Mexico. We won't secure our borders effectively enough to stop them no matter how much politicians talk about it. This is just all the crap they argue about to keep us distracted and divided. ..The media and politicians do it well. When the majority is supports something....they quickly get it... The public will be easier to control when they do not see eye to eye.
Everyone in America gets called names and insulted. Women in America can be rich, powerful, respected, feared, leaders...hell, women can even become men here with enough money.
Women get stereotyped and called names. So does everyone else....I bet Bill Gates got called some names. We all get judged and measured. That's life.

 

[oldbadger]

Religious tenants, laws, practices and beliefs are frequntly detrimental. Sacrificing healthy livestock, to appease the gods..or healthy potentially child rearing/fertile young adults... Handling snakes, drinking poison, repressing science and knowledge...
Adultery, fornication, and homosexuality have been around as long as mankind has. Humanity flourises despite them.

....so.......... what?

 

[SkepticThinker]

Anecdote explains the answer:

A would be/[thinking about it] Rapist a Murder and Pedophile are at the gay pride parade.
Are they positively or negatively effected by what is going on around them?


The homosexuals are criminally insane for advocating anal and orals ex to children in public as well as disturbing the peace of retirees. Ruining healthy enjoyable ****s, by inserting sexual connotations. Advocating anal and oral sex to disrespectful men in school or workplaces, as well as criminals, perverts, rapists and all int he mean while,
Aiding the perspectives of the politically corrupt by being pro for sexual perversions and atheistic perspectives.


*Trick question.
They are positively motivated to go forward with their criminal actions,
and negatively impacted morally.

Check.
I am not afraid of homos. I Can see the scientifically negative effects of their being on society. Disrespectful people are reinforced in their behavior through homosexual activities existing around them.

Atheism is used to forwards corrupt political agendas.

What on earth ...?

 

[JustCallMeNick]

Reading many threads on homosexuality, gay marriage, LGBT concerns and so on it dawned on me that I do not know WHY homosexuality has been so demonised. It is a victimless crime if it is a crime at all, and seems to be something that concerns nobody other than the participants - so where does the fear come from? What are we afraid of? Why have so many cultures reacted so strongly against what appears to be perfectly normal behaviour?

Here's something that hasn't been said yet: scent.

There is very interesting research out there on the relationship between scent and attraction. In blind studies, researchers have found that in samples of straight and gay men and women, straight men for example rate the scent (literally, the BO) of straight women as most appealing of the four groups. Gay men prefer the scent of other gay men, straight women prefer straight men, and lesbians prefer other lesbians. But here's the interesting thing. The group that is ranked as least appealing of all the groups overall is gay men. In other words, although straight men and women and lesbians all preferred the scent of their corresponding groups, they all found the scent of gay men the most repulsive. Weird, right? Could this be evidence for an actual biological root of homophobia? Perhaps.

Homosexuality And Our Response To Sweat - Gay, Explained

 

[enthused antagonist]

....so.......... what?

"There you have it.
Any condition or act which might put a tribe at risk, or lower its chances of survival was made sinful.
Most laws were all about avoiding sickness and increasing strength. The shellfish-ban is a typical example."

So...uh....animal sacrifice did not strengthen the tribe. The healthiest and most beneficial specimens were brought to the alter to bleed. Year after year removing the most healthy and beneficial live stock. Uh...so...your assertion that any act that was counter to tribal benefit was branded sinful is...uh.... demonstrably...uh...false...

 

[Bunyip]

Here's something that hasn't been said yet: scent.

There is very interesting research out there on the relationship between scent and attraction. In blind studies, researchers have found that in samples of straight and gay men and women, straight men for example rate the scent (literally, the BO) of straight women as most appealing of the four groups. Gay men prefer the scent of other gay men, straight women prefer straight men, and lesbians prefer other lesbians. But here's the interesting thing. The group that is ranked as least appealing of all the groups overall is gay men. In other words, although straight men and women and lesbians all preferred the scent of their corresponding groups, they all found the scent of gay men the most repulsive. Weird, right? Could this be evidence for an actual biological root of homophobia? Perhaps.

Homosexuality And Our Response To Sweat - Gay, Explained

Wow! What a fascinating contribution. Amazing notion.

 

[enthused antagonist]

Here's something that hasn't been said yet: scent.

There is very interesting research out there on the relationship between scent and attraction. In blind studies, researchers have found that in samples of straight and gay men and women, straight men for example rate the scent (literally, the BO) of straight women as most appealing of the four groups. Gay men prefer the scent of other gay men, straight women prefer straight men, and lesbians prefer other lesbians. But here's the interesting thing. The group that is ranked as least appealing of all the groups overall is gay men. In other words, although straight men and women and lesbians all preferred the scent of their corresponding groups, they all found the scent of gay men the most repulsive. Weird, right? Could this be evidence for an actual biological root of homophobia? Perhaps.

Homosexuality And Our Response To Sweat - Gay, Explained

Maybe there is a biological root underlying racism, domestic abuse, addiction, left handedness, intelligence, and so on and so on.... And if there is a biological reason underlying what criminals do, metal illness can certainly be influenced by genes.... So what? Then what? Does something change?

 

[oldbadger]

"There you have it.
Any condition or act which might put a tribe at risk, or lower its chances of survival was made sinful.
Most laws were all about avoiding sickness and increasing strength. The shellfish-ban is a typical example."

So...uh....animal sacrifice did not strengthen the tribe. The healthiest and most beneficial specimens were brought to the alter to bleed. Year after year removing the most healthy and beneficial live stock. Uh...so...your assertion that any act that was counter to tribal benefit was branded sinful is...uh.... demonstrably...uh...false...

Animal sacrifice ............ weakened the tribe?
Your wooly headed post, along with your nasty insulting manner of writing it, just shows ignorance.

You think that tribes killed off all their best livestock? And that is all you've got to show that my suggestion is worthless?
Let me tell you again....... certainly in the case of the Israelites' rules and laws, it can be seen that they helped to protect and strengthen the group. Obviously, many of those laws could be discarded now, because our research and development of medicines etc etc has tended to make old rules redundant.

But since your posts are so clear and educated, please tell us how humanity managed to build taboos about such things as adultery or homosexuality, etc. Let's see what you've got.
I won't hold my breath for a valuable reply.

 

[enthused antagonist]

Wow! What a fascinating contribution. Amazing notion.

Phera

Animal sacrifice ............ weakened the tribe?
Your wooly headed post, along with your nasty insulting manner of writing it, just shows ignorance.

You think that tribes killed off all their best livestock? And that is all you've got to show that my suggestion is worthless?
Let me tell you again....... certainly in the case of the Israelites' rules and laws, it can be seen that they helped to protect and strengthen the group. Obviously, many of those laws could be discarded now, because our research and development of medicines etc etc has tended to make old rules redundant.

But since your posts are so clear and educated, please tell us how humanity managed to build taboos about such things as adultery or homosexuality, etc. Let's see what you've got.
I won't hold my breath for a valuable reply.

Same reason Americans drive on the righthand side of the road and Europeans the left. It behooves them to do so socially.
We will follow the rules society sets because civilizations have made life more abundant, comfortable, and longer. Our genes continue....
And when society decides collectively the rules should change... prohibition, women's sufferage, slavery, homosexuality...the rules change...

 

[ether-ore]

Reading many threads on homosexuality, gay marriage, LGBT concerns and so on it dawned on me that I do not know WHY homosexuality has been so demonised. It is a victimless crime if it is a crime at all, and seems to be something that concerns nobody other than the participants - so where does the fear come from? What are we afraid of? Why have so many cultures reacted so strongly against what appears to be perfectly normal behaviour?

According to LDS doctrine, we believe that we are literally the children of God and that He desires that we become like Him just as any father would want his son to grow up and have a family of his own. Families in the eternities require both a father and a mother. I believe it to be the case that among other things we are being tested for during mortality, is whether or not we can be trusted with the procreative power in the eternities. In LDS theology, there is not just a heaven and a hell, there are many mansions (or states) to which a resurrected being can be assigned after this life is over (depending on the choices he made and the works he did). The atonement of Jesus Christ provides for two salvations, one from death and one from hell. To be saved from death means resurrection, which will happen to all no matter how they lived their lives... it is a free gift. But salvation from hell defined as eternal separation from God after having paid the penalty for one's sins if they did not otherwise repent so that Christ's atonement could save them from this, is not granted. Unless it is, granted the procreative power will not be available. It is only available to those who repent, have that part of the atonement applied to them and are able to return to their Father in Heaven. The WHY of your question is because our Heavenly Father wants us to become like Him; be what He is and do what He does to further His glory and happiness in His children, but He will not grant this procreative power in eternity to those who pervert its purpose and abuse it whether for homosexual or heterosexual activities outside of marriage between a man and a woman.

I know there is disagreement on the issue of whether or not homosexuals are born the way they are. My sense of the matter is that we are born into physical bodies which have appetites and genetic predispositions. Some may have genetic predispositions to same sex attraction, which from a purely physical standpoint, may appear to be normal. But it is the task of our spirit selves to subdue the physical and subject it to God's will rather than we becoming subject to the desires of the flesh. I do not say that it is easy, but I believe that God desires us to control ourselves (and we do all have challenges to overcome; admittedly some more difficult than others)... nevertheless, I believe this is the source, or the reason for why homosexuality is not accepted.

On the issue of whether it concerns no one but the participants and whether it is a 'victimless' crime; It appears from scripture that God not only judges individuals, He judges nations and cultures as well. Several times in scripture, God through His prophets warned Israel (as a group) that if they did not repent, He (God) would withdraw His protection from them, leaving them to the ravages of famine, pestilence and war common to their day. Homosexuality was one of the sins for which God withdrew from them. The point being that the society or culture that tolerates and accepts homosexuality (making the society guilty for aiding and abetting) is ripening for destruction. From this perspective, it is not victimless.

 

[Curious George]

Reading many threads on homosexuality, gay marriage, LGBT concerns and so on it dawned on me that I do not know WHY homosexuality has been so demonised. It is a victimless crime if it is a crime at all, and seems to be something that concerns nobody other than the participants - so where does the fear come from? What are we afraid of? Why have so many cultures reacted so strongly against what appears to be perfectly normal behaviour?

My understanding is that sexual repression in general is found in all cultures. Homosexuality was then repressed because it only served the purpose of indulgence. Heterosexuality was repressed but tolerated only for the production of children. Some groups even repressed that though.

So, to answer your question, homophobia came about as a form of elitism.

Edit* changed last "homophobia" from typo, "homosexuality"