What is a female??

[Jimmy]

Oh yes, the "I identify as an attack helicoptor" argument. The problem is that transgender folks have been recorded in history going all the way back to ancient times

Timeline of transgender history - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

If it's just some wacky one off thing, why does it keep happening in the same way over and over again all throughout history? Seems to me like maybe there's something valid there

Say what?

 

[Kfox]

And natural not to produce eggs.

Only when medical abnormalities are involved.

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

Only when medical abnormalities are involved.

They are natural too.

 

[Kfox]

They are natural too.

I wouldn't call that natural. If for example a woman has Fallopian tubes that prevents eggs from reaching it's course preventing her from getting pregnant, I would not say it is natural for a woman's Fallopian tubes to work that way.

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

I wouldn't call that natural. If for example a woman has Fallopian tubes that prevents eggs from reaching it's course preventing her from getting pregnant, I would not say it is natural for a woman's Fallopian tubes to work that way.

No, it is so unnatural that it is not even real and not a consequence of natural processes. In fact it is so unnatural that it is evidence of the supernatural, since it is magic.

 

[Father Heathen]

I had to google them.

Well... I don't know what lesbians do...in the bedroom...
and honestly...I prefer not to know it...

Scissoring, cunnilingus, strap-ons, double ended dildos, etc.

 

[Father Heathen]

Please...it's dinner time here,...

 

[JDMS]

It is natural for a female adult to produce eggs. True; there are some who don't, just like there are adult males who don't produce sperm; but this is due to some sort of medical issue. In these cases a doctor can examine the person's body and explain why the female is not producing eggs, or the male is not producing sperm. But the fact that medical exemptions exist does not take away from the fact that it is natural for a female to produce eggs

Abnormalities occur naturally as well. I think "typical" or "normal" would work better here than natural.

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

Abnormalities occur naturally as well. I think "typical" or "normal" would work better here than natural.

The problem is abnormal can both be descriptive as a variation and judgmental.
So I am neurodiverse, but to people it means I don't count as a human, because I am abnormal and that is used in a judgmental sense.
In effect you need 3 versions.
-Abnormal as bad in a non-judgmental sense.
-Variation but not bad as such above
-Normal

And even that is properly too simple.

 

[JDMS]

The problem is abnormal can both be descriptive as a variation and judgmental.
So I am neurodiverse, but to people it means I don't count as a human, because I am abnormal and that is used in a judgmental sense.
In effect you need 3 versions.
-Abnormal as bad in a non-judgmental sense.
-Variation but not bad as such above
-Normal

And even that is properly too simple.

I agree, but I think for the sake of the other poster, abnormal or atypical is a step up from unnatural, don't you think? And people usually need to take baby steps.

But yes, typically I would avoid using that kind of terminology as well. Maybe uncommon is a word I might use instead. But rarely is there ever a need for me to discuss the frequency of a person's bodily experience, because it seems reductive at times.

 

[Kfox]

No, it is so unnatural that it is not even real and not a consequence of natural processes. In fact it is so unnatural that it is evidence of the supernatural, since it is magic.

Don't confuse unnatural with supernatural

 

[Kfox]

The problem is abnormal can both be descriptive as a variation and judgmental.
So I am neurodiverse, but to people it means I don't count as a human, because I am abnormal and that is used in a judgmental sense.
In effect you need 3 versions.
-Abnormal as bad in a non-judgmental sense.
-Variation but not bad as such above
-Normal

And even that is properly too simple.

I was not being judgmental in my word descriptions; if you thought I was you should have asked and I would have clarified.

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

Don't confuse unnatural with supernatural

There is no unnatural in a natural world, because you can't explain, how the natural causes the unnatural. You are in effect making a false claim, because you can't explain how you observe it is unnatural. That it is unnatural is a subjective judgment in you.

 

[Kfox]

There is no unnatural in a natural world, because you can't explain, how the natural causes the unnatural. You are in effect making a false claim, because you can't explain how you observe it is unnatural. That it is unnatural is a subjective judgment in you.

Just using logic. take my Fallopian tube example I gave. What good are having Fallopian tubes if they don't allow the egg to pass? Are you saying it is perfectly natural for Fallopian tubes to prevent the egg from passing? That this is a perfectly normal function for them?

 

[Gargovic Malkav]

A miserable pile of secrets. But enough talk, have at you!!!





Oh my apologies. It seems this is the definition of a man, not a woman.
Continue on your way, folks.

Lol!
I wonder how many get the reference.

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

Just using logic. take my Fallopian tube example I gave. What good are having Fallopian tubes if they don't allow the egg to pass? Are you saying it is perfectly natural for Fallopian tubes to prevent the egg from passing? That this is a perfectly normal function for them?

How do you observe the bold words? I mean it. it is a judgment in your mind with no objective referent. You do understand what an referent is, right?

 

[Kfox]

How do you observe the bold words? I mean it. it is a judgment in your mind with no objective referent. You do understand what an referent is, right?

So you think having Fallopian tubes that prevent eggs from passing is perfectly normal? Some Pallopian tubes allow eggs to pass, some do not? Is this what you are saying?

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

So you think having Fallopian tubes that prevent eggs from passing is perfectly normal? Some Pallopian tubes allow eggs to pass, some do not? Is this what you are saying?

I am saying it can be observed some allow eggs to pass. other not. That is all, that is what can be observed, unless you do for how they function or not. But not functioning it is that the eggs stay. That is all in the objective sense.

 

[Revoltingest]

Male or female...like anything that exists on a spectrum,
it depends upon a preponderance of factors.
The factors could be objective, but judging would be
subjective, ie, an "I know it when I see it" thingie.

 

[The Hammer]

S -- HE
WO -- MAN
FE -- MALE
HU -- MAN
PER -- SON

I don't know that that displays any linguist pattern or not, but it certainly is interesting.

It does not represent a linguistic pattern.