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[Shadow Wolf]

Too often I’ve heard about people being kicked out or shunned for simply being gay or trans or bi or what have you.

Yup. It still happens. And it's not atheists, Satanists, Wiccans or Buddhists doing it. It's those who go to church and call themselves Christian.

 

[SomeRandom]

Yup. It still happens. And it's not atheists, Satanists, Wiccans or Buddhists doing it. It's those who go to church and call themselves Christian.

Hard to argue with, given the stories I’ve heard.
Even some of the folks I follow on YouTube/Twitch have similar stories. Usually for being gay and/or trans
Although one was shunned simply for being atheist (his family are Jehovah’s Witnesses.)

 

[Kfox]

I mean, just coming out? Sure, I guess that in and of itself doesn’t really need medicine or anything. For any identity.

That’s what I was talking about.

It is still usually medically recommended that trans identifying people seek aid/advice. They can elect not to, that’s entirely their choice. Or their parents’ choice, rather. But people can elect not to listen to their doctor for any reason whatsoever. Is that a wise decision?

Do you believe all trans people have something mentally and/or medically wrong with them? If not, why would they need to seek aid or advice?

My apologies. I assumed you were speaking about the phenomenon specifically.
Now I realise you were including other identities, such as non binary. Sure, I agree this does not require any medical advice.

My original point was about kids coming out as trans or non-binary because it was trendy; not due to mental illness. That’s why I keep adding non-binary and kept insisting medical intervention was not necessary when this happens.

 

[Kfox]

Seeing gays doesn't mean they aren't being harassed or targeted for violence.

The same can be said for black people, white people, or anybody else.

And also there are sime Supreme Court Justices who want to revoke gay marriage and many politicians who want them back in the closet.

Personally I would like to see the government get out of the marriage business. IMO the government should not recognize any relationship due to marriage; leave that to the religious types or those who value marriage for whatever reason. Doesn't matter if you are gay, straight, related, whatever; if you can find someone willing to bless your relationship and call you married, that's how it should be done, but the government should not recognize such a relationship in any way IMO. But of course; that's getting off topic.

 

[SomeRandom]

That’s what I was talking about.

Okay, I misunderstood

Do you believe all trans people have something mentally and/or medically wrong with them? If not, why would they need to seek aid or advice?

Not really. People who identify as trans usually have gender dysphoria (as is my understanding, not saying all trans people do though) and that typically requires medical advice.
But you know, living life usually requires medical advice.
Students here are encouraged to seek medical aid/advice. Just because. And I agree with this encouragement. That doesn’t mean I think there’s anything wrong with…being a student.
Like seeking medical advice is just a human thing

My original point was about kids coming out as trans or non-binary because it was trendy; not due to mental illness. That’s why I keep adding non-binary and kept insisting medical intervention was not necessary when this happens.

I don’t know if it’s trendy so much as more acceptance encourages people to come out or explore their identity more often. We saw similar trends with literally everything else, right?
Being gay became accepted by the mainstream public so more and more people just felt more confortable coming out. Hence a “rise” in youth identifying as gay or bi
The “amount” of gay people stayed roughly the same, it just became more honest, so to speak

When a previous taboo is more accepted, you see that taboo becoming a bit more prominent. Especially among the youth.
Hell in my dad’s day that was interracial coupling. That was becoming more mainstream and his peers began embracing it at a seemingly high rate. When in reality it just meant that people were more comfortable doing so out in the open

 

[Kfox]

Yup. It still happens. And it's not atheists, Satanists, Wiccans or Buddhists doing it. It's those who go to church and call themselves Christian.

What about Muslims? They are far far worse than Christians in that department, yet you conveniently seemed to have left them out! Hummm...... I wonder why???

 

[Kfox]

opps

 

[Kfox]

Not really. People who identify as trans usually have gender dysphoria (as is my understanding, not saying all trans people do though) and that typically requires medical advice.

Just to be clear; when you say medical advice, you mean hormones, puberty blockers, major surgery, etc. is that correct?

I don’t know if it’s trendy so much as more acceptance encourages people to come out or explore their identity more often. We saw similar trends with literally everything else, right?

Just to be clear; when you say kids coming out as trans need medical advice, it is your view that they need to be put on hormones, puberty blockers, major surgery etc; is this correct?

 

[SomeRandom]

Just to be clear; when you say medical advice, you mean hormones, puberty blockers, major surgery, etc. is that correct?

Just to be clear; when you say kids coming out as trans need medical advice, it is your view that they need to be put on hormones, puberty blockers, major surgery etc; is this correct?

Actually no, not really, anyway

I certainly recognise that these things can be aspects of the advice given. Depending on the circumstance, of course. And I think it’s best to see if that is required, once a kid comes out. It might not be, I honestly don’t know every circumstance

I was actually referring more to mental health guidance. Meaning coping strategies, what to expect, what support is offered, what options are available etc
I view mental well-being as very important for everyone. Trans, cis, gay, straight, non binary whatever (perhaps because I grew up around retired councillors and psychologists lol)

I think everyone should be aware of what medical options are available to them at all times. I also think it’s important to develop healthy coping strategies for life. And minorities, unfortunately, might need a little extra help in that department. Through no fault of their own.

I just think that with the real possibility of gender dysphoria being an integral part of trans identity, professional assessment is potentially the best option. (Again not saying that is true for everyone, this is just my understanding.)
Of course people can make their own choices

 

[Shadow Wolf]

The same can be said for black people, white people, or anybody else.

Yeah....for all the things people have targeted me for being white has just not made that list. And, yes, black people are targeted. Like the guy who was hunted and gunned down like a rabid dog just for jogging and minding his own business. Amd then there's all the redneck chickens where I used to live who'd warn me about going to the black part of town (they was concerned about me getting attacked but not worried about my cholesterol or blood pressure), with some saying we should still be able to own slaves and sundown town mentalities still exist to this day.

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[Shadow Wolf]

Personally I would like to see the government get out of the marriage business. IMO the government should not recognize any relationship due to marriage; leave that to the religious types or those who value marriage for whatever reason. Doesn't matter if you are gay, straight, related, whatever; if you can find someone willing to bless your relationship and call you married, that's how it should be done, but the government should not recognize such a relationship in any way IMO. But of course; that's getting off topic.

Except there are contract things, next of kin, inheritance and enough other things tied to marriage it benefits us all for the government to legally acknowledge marriage to avoid a nasty, terrible headache of people fighting and arguing over things and having no legal protections to keep and have what is rightfully theres or bestowed with the normal privileges that come eith being legally married (like hospital visitations and decisions).

What about Muslims? They are far far worse than Christians in that department, yet you conveniently seemed to have left them out! Hummm...... I wonder why???

What is it y'all like to say? This is a Christian country?
Stick around until Ramadan next year if you want to hear my complaints of Muslims (Ramadan is a very bad time to be a dog).

 

[Kfox]

Actually no, not really, anyway

I certainly recognise that these things can be aspects of the advice given. Depending on the circumstance, of course. And I think it’s best to see if that is required, once a kid comes out. It might not be, I honestly don’t know every circumstance

I was actually referring more to mental health guidance. Meaning coping strategies, what to expect, what support is offered, what options are available etc
I view mental well-being as very important for everyone. Trans, cis, gay, straight, non binary whatever (perhaps because I grew up around retired councillors and psychologists lol)

I think everyone should be aware of what medical options are available to them at all times. I also think it’s important to develop healthy coping strategies for life. And minorities, unfortunately, might need a little extra help in that department. Through no fault of their own.

I just think that with the real possibility of gender dysphoria being an integral part of trans identity, professional assessment is potentially the best option. (Again not saying that is true for everyone, this is just my understanding.)
Of course people can make their own choices

So when you said “medical advise” you really meant psychological advise; or counseling. Is that correct?

 

[SomeRandom]

So when you said “medical advise” you really meant psychological advise; or counseling. Is that correct?

Yes.
Apologies. My language perhaps wasn’t very clear.
I tend to conflate the two and forget that that’s probably not the most accurate way to view them

 

[Kfox]

Yeah....for all the things people have targeted me for being white has just not made that list. And, yes, black people are targeted.

So they got white racist gangs in Sundown towns who will attack anyone who is not white, and black racist gangs in gang infested neighborhoods who will attack anyone who is not black. What’s the difference?

Except there are contract things, next of kin, inheritance and enough other things tied to marriage it benefits us all for the government to legally acknowledge marriage to avoid a nasty, terrible headache of people fighting and arguing over things and having no legal protections to keep and have what is rightfully theres or bestowed with the normal privileges that come eith being legally married (like hospital visitations and decisions).

Ya know how when you get married you gotta register everything with the state to make the marriage official? When you move in, register a cohabitation agreement with the state that includes the same thing; then get your marriage done at your local church.

What is it y'all like to say? This is a Christian country?

Most of the Christians I know don’t wanna accept the moral fortitude this country has adopted as their own; (and I don’t blame them)

Stick around until Ramadan next year if you want to hear my complaints of Muslims (Ramadan is a very bad time to be a dog).

Why I gotta stick around till Ramadan? Why didn’t you include it with Christianity?

 

[Shadow Wolf]

then get your marriage done at your local church.

No, I'll get married where I want. No religion holds a monopoly on marriage and "separate but equal" is unconstitutional.

Why I gotta stick around till Ramadan? Why didn’t you include it with Christianity?

Because Christians are the majority group. And honestly, Muslims haven't given me problems like Christians.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

So they got white racist gangs in Sundown towns who will attack anyone who is not white, and black racist gangs in gang infested neighborhoods who will attack anyone who is not black. What’s the difference?

That's not what I was talking about. Sundown towns aren't gangs. These are cities filled with racists, prejudiced people and black people try to avoid them for their own safety.

Most of the Christians I know don’t wanna accept the moral fortitude this country has adopted as their own; (and I don’t blame them)

Thats unfortunate. Our morality is incomparably better than that of a book that permits slavery, treats women like property, amd forbids so many of the freedoms we treasure and value today.
I'll take our first that allows me to live as an apostage over your god's first that allows worship of no one but him, compete with instructions elsewhere to kill apostates and those who worship other gods if they knew your god.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Yes.
Apologies. My language perhaps wasn’t very clear.
I tend to conflate the two and forget that that’s probably not the most accurate way to view them

Apogize for what? It's not your fault others have too limited narrow a scope for what counts as healthcare and advise, anr this does very much include psychiatry and psychology services as well as primary care physicians and the specialists who deal with physiological ailments.

 

[Kfox]

No, I'll get married where I want. No religion holds a monopoly on marriage and "separate but equal" is unconstitutional.

I said NOT recognized by the government.

Because Christians are the majority group. And honestly, Muslims haven't given me problems like Christians.

Then why didn't you mention them along with the Wiccans, Buddhists, and all the other religions you mentioned?

That's not what I was talking about. Sundown towns aren't gangs. These are cities filled with racists, prejudiced people and black people try to avoid them for their own safety.

Does the law allow this? Or are these people acting outside the law. If it is a group of people acting outside the law, how is this different than a gang? If these acts are done inside the law, give an example of a town where this is legally allowed.

Thats unfortunate. Our morality is incomparably better than that of a book that permits slavery, treats women like property, amd forbids so many of the freedoms we treasure and value today.
I'll take our first that allows me to live as an apostage over your god's first that allows worship of no one but him, compete with instructions elsewhere to kill apostates and those who worship other gods if they knew your god.

My response was concerning concerning Christian views; not your views.

 

[Kfox]

Apogize for what? It's not your fault others have too limited narrow a scope for what counts as healthcare and advise, anr this does very much include psychiatry and psychology services as well as primary care physicians and the specialists who deal with physiological ailments.

Is it your view that medical advise is the same as counseling?

 

[Shadow Wolf]

I saw an awful lot of hate in media, directed at doctors, teachers, politicians, and some even directed towards autistic kids themselves. Like I said, I think the scale is much smaller than the current hoola - as you call it - but the sentiments are similar.

Yup. Probably the most mean thing I've heard is we don't have a soul because challenges with empathy.