What is a "Jihad Ideology"?

[VoidoftheSun]

they see on TV

Bingo, it's unsurprising.

 

[England my lionheart]

I am saying that you quoted a bogus motto and quoted is as a motto and I am correcting you. Check your sources, they are bogus. But of course, very very few people accept correction because they just want to be scholars and never corrected. So it's a usual thing to see the strawman or some kind of ad hominem as a response in that case. Have a great day brother. Cheers.

I'm no scolar but I can read,the way of jihad by Hassan Al Banna preface:

Jihad is an obligation from Allah on every Muslim and cannot be ignored nor evaded… Those who can only find excuses, however, have been warned of extremely dreadful punishments."

And to support this he quotes:

al-Anfaal, verse 60: "Against them make ready your strength to the utmost of your power, including steeds of war, to strike terror into [the hearts of] the enemies of Allah and your enemies."

And

Tawbah, verse 11: "Verily Allah has purchased of the believers their lives and their properties; for the price that [is] theirs shall be the Paradise. They fight in Allah's cause, so they kill [others] and are killed."

Since the Muslim brotherhood was founded in Egypt,jihad has moved from theological to violence using political justification.

Still I'm no expert it's just what comes out of Al bannas books and Qutbs.

Cheers

 

[firedragon]

I'm no scolar but I can read,the way of jihad by Hassan Al Banna preface:

Jihad is an obligation from Allah on every Muslim and cannot be ignored nor evaded… Those who can only find excuses, however, have been warned of extremely dreadful punishments."

And to support this he quotes:

al-Anfaal, verse 60: "Against them make ready your strength to the utmost of your power, including steeds of war, to strike terror into [the hearts of] the enemies of Allah and your enemies."

And

Tawbah, verse 11: "Verily Allah has purchased of the believers their lives and their properties; for the price that [is] theirs shall be the Paradise. They fight in Allah's cause, so they kill [others] and are killed."

Since the Muslim brotherhood was founded in Egypt,jihad has moved from theological to violence using political justification.

Still I'm no expert it's just what comes out of Al bannas books and Qutbs.

Cheers

I dont know of true scholarship in this field of speaking about these so called Muslim movements and their doctrines. Yes, there are researches.

Anyway I think I am getting the sources of information you are using. Of course you never accepted that you quoted bogus information earlier which i find strange. I think its very important to be a little humble in our approach and just accept when we make a mistake.

Nevertheless, thanks for the information. Cheers.

 

[England my lionheart]

I dont know of true scholarship in this field of speaking about these so called Muslim movements and their doctrines. Yes, there are researches.

Anyway I think I am getting the sources of information you are using. Of course you never accepted that you quoted bogus information earlier which i find strange. I think its very important to be a little humble in our approach and just accept when we make a mistake.

Nevertheless, thanks for the information. Cheers.

My suggestion is read the original Hamas charter,the way if jihad by Al banna and milestones by Qutb and maybe 'in the shade of the Quran',have a good day.

 

[Piculet]

jihad has moved from theological to violence using political justification.

"Jihad has moved...."?

The term is fixed. It doesn't move. Jihad has not changed. Saying it has, is like saying dying has changed. If the Quran in itself describes physical jihad, how does it make sense to claim it has 'become violent', assuming you think it is described as violence in the Quran.

 

[firedragon]

My suggestion is read the original Hamas charter,the way if jihad by Al banna and milestones by Qutb and maybe 'in the shade of the Quran',have a good day.

Oh a lot of people have read them. And clearly you have not. You have not understood the question either. If you are willing to understand the question you could try. But if you intend something else there is nothing much to say.

The Hamas charter is relevant to hamas and "DOES NOT EXPLAIN A JIHAD IDEOLOGY" like you seem to allude to. I wish to know what you think is this so-called "Jihad Ideology" and whats the source of your information.

Quoting Hamas charter for their ideology, and the inventor of the Muslim brotherhood for his ideology is your way of getting sources. Also your other way of getting information is some websites that you cut and pasted false mottos from like Ayan Hirsi Ali and Israelonline are your type of sources. I have learned that from you. Thats good enough to know the type of sources you are looking for and the method you follow to quickly cut and paste whatever you find online swiftly. Not good, but well, thats your method.

So mate. Lets see if you can objectively respond to a question about "THE BOOK YOU ARE ASKING ME TO READ".

You said to read "In the Shade of the Quran" which you have read fully right? Did you mate? Great.

So tell me what the author says about Taguth or oppression/tyranny in the book. Since you have read it you should know. Thus, let's hear it.

Cheers.

 

[England my lionheart]

"Jihad has moved...."?

The term is fixed. It doesn't move. Jihad has not changed. Saying it has, is like saying dying has changed. If the Quran in itself describes physical jihad, how does it make sense to claim it has 'become violent', assuming you think it is described as violence in the Quran.

No not moved,for the authors of those books violence has been argued to be offensive when it's supposed to be defensive,the greater jihad being the internal struggle to be a better Muslim,correct me if I'm wrong though.

 

[England my lionheart]

Oh a lot of people have read them. And clearly you have not. You have not understood the question either. If you are willing to understand the question you could try. But if you intend something else there is nothing much to say.

The Hamas charter is relevant to hamas and "DOES NOT EXPLAIN A JIHAD IDEOLOGY" like you seem to allude to. I wish to know what you think is this so-called "Jihad Ideology" and whats the source of your information.

Quoting Hamas charter for their ideology, and the inventor of the Muslim brotherhood for his ideology is your way of getting sources. Also your other way of getting information is some websites that you cut and pasted false mottos from like Ayan Hirsi Ali and Israelonline are your type of sources. I have learned that from you. Thats good enough to know the type of sources you are looking for and the method you follow to quickly cut and paste whatever you find online swiftly. Not good, but well, thats your method.

So mate. Lets see if you can objectively respond to a question about "THE BOOK YOU ARE ASKING ME TO READ".

You said to read "In the Shade of the Quran" which you have read fully right? Did you mate? Great.

So tell me what the author says about Taguth or oppression/tyranny in the book. Since you have read it you should know. Thus, let's hear it.

Cheers.

It was many years ago ,I can't be asked to even look it up,copy and paste?,why not,it's so much easier,it matters little though.

Cheers

 

[Piculet]

No not moved,for the authors of those books violence has been argued to be offensive when it's supposed to be defensive,the greater jihad being the internal struggle to be a better Muslim,correct me if I'm wrong though.

That jihad was only for self defense is false, as much as such an idea is spread around by Muslims themselves.

 

[England my lionheart]

That jihad was only for self defense is false, as much as such an idea is spread around by Muslims themselves.

Which sect of Muslims?or are you saying all of them?.

 

[Piculet]

Which sect of Muslims?or are you saying all of them?.

No one in particular, but I see it all the time online. Someone brings up jihad and there's someone in a flash saying it is only for self defense.

 

[firedragon]

That jihad was only for self defense is false, as much as such an idea is spread around by Muslims themselves.

Hmm.I dont think you even understood the comments you are replying to.

Tell me. Can you show me where in the Qur'an it speaks of "Jihad", point to the word, give me the meaning. Lets see if you actually know what you are speaking about or lets see what your sources of information is to have such confidence in your statements.

 

[England my lionheart]

No one in particular, but I see it all the time online. Someone brings up jihad and there's someone in a flash saying it is only for self defense.

Well there's around 1.8 billion Muslims in the world so fingers crossed it for defense.

It's of course more complicated the that,one Muslim is another's kaffir.

 

[firedragon]

Well there's around 1.8 billion Muslims in the world so fingers crossed it for defense.

It's of course more complicated the that,one Muslim is another's kaffir.

Not relevant brother. But thanks for the comment.