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What is a real God?

blü 2

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Premium Member
Creation out of nothing. Even a superscientist needs tools and material, ie something, to create anything.
But if time is a property of mass-energy, instead of time being prior to mass-energy, then the problem goes away: time exists because mass-energy does, not vice versa.

And we're still in superscientist country.
 

paarsurrey

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A point worth considering. Thanks.

First (given that there's a real God, one with objective existence), do we agree that the only thing God needed to create from nothing was whatever was in the Big Bang?

Second, if there was nothing before God created something, then there were no dimensions, no mass-energy, no forces &c, hence no time or place. So how could a real God exist in the absence of dimensions? Surely only an imaginary God could do that?

Third, how could any God, let alone a real one, bring about change in the absence of time? Without time, everything is as frozen, as incapable of alteration, as in a photograph.
Another aspect is that none other than G-d, has claimed it and given reasons for it. He created every object, article, abstract, time, space and dimension etc every.thing that He wanted to. There is none before Him.

Regards
 

blü 2

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Premium Member
Another aspect is that none other than G-d, has claimed it
'it' being creation from true nothing, I take it?
and given reasons for it.
It would be correct to say that God has never given reasons, in that the only reasons we've heard are those put forward by our fellow humans, no?
He created every object, article, abstract, time, space and dimension etc every.thing that He wanted to.
If that's true then there must be a method for creating something from nothing. What is that method?
There is none before Him.
So where and when was God before time and space existed?

What was the nature of God's existence in the absence of mass-energy?

How could such an existence be anything but imaginary? That's to say, without mass-energy, how could God be said to be real, to have objective existence?
 
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