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What is blind faith?

atanu

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Premium Member
I do not support Amit Shah's statement. But what has this to do with blind faith? Anti immigration statement is very high throughout the world right now.

It is about the 'bhakt' supporters. Amit Shah et al know what they want and what they are doing. Many bhakt-s have only illusions that these guys are pure good corruption free guys.

Check the details of Rafael case. Check the sordid and shrewd uploading of liabilities of companies sponsored by the great leader onto other PSU companies.
 

sayak83

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Staff member
Premium Member
It is about the 'bhakt' supporters. Amit Shah et al know what they want and what they are doing. Many bhakt-s have only illusions that these guys are pure good corruption free guys.

Check the details of Rafael case. Check the sordid and shrewd uploading of liabilities of companies sponsored by the great leader onto other PSU companies.
I am aware. But partisan support is ubiquitous in all democracies. I try to stay away from useless chatter till its time to vote. Then I take a look at the candidates, their track record of performance and then decide.
 

Vinayaka

devotee
Premium Member
Yes. By 'blind faith' I actually referred to behaviours of the supporters of these so-called leaders.
There is blind faith in politics in all directions. For one, almost everyone assumes their guy (party) is always being totally truthful.

BTW, I am totally unaware of any mass illegal immigration of Gujaratis to Canada. Maybe I have blind faith in the Canadian government.
 

Jumi

Well-Known Member
You know someone already tried this? Johan's Ark - Wikipedia
I don't recall hearing about this.

From the article,

"Although the ark isn't really seaworthy and can't handle waves higher than two meters, he was successfully towed across the sea from Denmark to Norway".

Maybe God made sure there were no actual waves on the face of the waters after the flood, and had towboats out there for Noah and his family to pull them to Mt. Ararat?
Yeah, I can't understand why they go through a project like this when it doesn't even work. :) The boat doesn't even look like it could house large animals, let alone elephants.
 

atanu

Member
Premium Member
There is blind faith in politics in all directions. For one, almost everyone assumes their guy (party) is always being totally truthful.

BTW, I am totally unaware of any mass illegal immigration of Gujaratis to Canada. Maybe I have blind faith in the Canadian government.

I agree. Yet I choose not to side with those who instigate jingoism and those who always point out the superficial differences as if those are the main features of existence.

YMMV.
 

Vinayaka

devotee
Premium Member
I agree. Yet I choose not to side with those who instigate jingoism and those who always point out the superficial differences as if those are the main features of existence.

YMMV.
I can't take sides in Indian politics, as I don't have anywhere near enough information to ascertain much at all. But, as you know, neutrality can be interpreted incorrectly.
 

atanu

Member
Premium Member
I can't take sides in Indian politics, as I don't have anywhere near enough information to ascertain much at all. But, as you know, neutrality can be interpreted incorrectly.

Certain inexplicable things are happening in India. One such case is purchase by Government of India of Rafale jets and selecting Reliance group as Indian partner of Dassault. Reliance and Dassault will have a joint venture to manufacture a certain proportion of the jets in India. This is a huge thing involving billions of dollars worth of public money. Before 2014, when the previous government was negotiating, the cost of one jet was about Rs. 500 Crore. Suddenly, in 2015, the older open tender was cancelled and through a fresh private deal one plane now costs more than than three times. Additionally, replacing, the HAL -- the state defence aircraft manufacture as partner, a private company is brought in. The question is: WHAT PROCESS WAS FOLLOWED?

Let the big people who deal with killing equipment make a lot of money. No problem. But the 'bhakt' -- the blind faithful common man followers worship these sharks. That, imo, is blind faith.

Full Text: French Report on How Modi Govt Pushed Anil Ambani as Rafale Deal Partner

Actually, I am apolitical. But I do think that for such a big deal a transparent process must be followed. The current dispensation does not care about this at all. They seem to think that 'bhakt' will remain 'bhakt' forever.
 

Kirran

Premium Member
What do you make of Aam Aadmi Party, atanu?

And what do you think of Gandhi's libertarian socialist ideals, of bringing about self-reliance of communities rather than investing power in a state bureaucracy?
 

shunyadragon

shunyadragon
Premium Member
You know someone already tried this? Johan's Ark - Wikipedia

From the article,

"Although the ark isn't really seaworthy and can't handle waves higher than two meters, he was successfully towed across the sea from Denmark to Norway".

Maybe God made sure there were no actual waves on the face of the waters after the flood, and had towboats out there for Noah and his family to pull them to Mt. Ararat?

Actually no, it was an Ark like structure, built on a STEEL frame supported by barges. It was not the full size of Noah's Ark.

From: Johan's Ark - Wikipedia
"Huibers built his ark with eight helpers in four years. It is divided in seven stories. The wooden construction is carried on a hidden floating platform from steel made up of 21 LASH barges.[1] Previously the LASH barges were cargo containers, towed or pushed as floating barges over inland waterways, while carried on large ships over rough seas. Hence the ark can be towed by tugboats over the rivers, but it is not seaworthy. It could travel the seas on top of a pontoon or transport ship.[2] The wood volume is equivalent to 12000 trees. While the Bible specified that the Ark had to be built from the unknown gopher wood, this ark is made of American Cedar and Pine. The ark is 119 metres (390 ft) long, 30 metres (98 ft) wide, and 23 metres (75 ft) high. The cost of building it was 4 million euros."

The Ark in Kentucky is held together by steel fasteners and not wooden pegs.

What terrible waste of money based on 'blind faith.' All they needed was a half a dozen sky hooks, and they could have built a real Ark.
 
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atanu

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Premium Member
What do you make of Aam Aadmi Party, atanu?

And what do you think of Gandhi's libertarian socialist ideals, of bringing about self-reliance of communities rather than investing power in a state bureaucracy?

These are difficult questions, Kirran. AAP may not be sustainable. It lacks a cohesive philosophy for its existence. Gandhi tried fusing his advaita belief with politics believing in essential goodness of all.
 

Kirran

Premium Member
These are difficult questions, Kirran. AAP may not be sustainable. It lacks a cohesive philosophy for its existence. Gandhi tried fusing his advaita belief with politics believing in essential goodness of all.

AAP is basically running on an anti-corruption ticket, right?

That seems to be over-complicating Gandhi to me!
 

atanu

Member
Premium Member
Well, because I think his ideals were much more intuitive and human than that. I totally understand why you phrase it in those terms, but I think it makes things overly philosophical! Shoutout to Gandhi-fan @metis

You are ganging up against me?:(
 

Kirran

Premium Member
You are ganging up against me?:(

No I think I'm just shooting myself in the foot :D

You're a swell chap atanu.

Metis I think can speak with more conviction than I on Gandhi. Although I am a big admirer of the man and his legacy will I suspect come up in my life many a time in the future.
 
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