Bunyip
pro scapegoat
'It' as in no energy, had to come from somewhere? Why?
-
Welcome to Religious Forums, a friendly forum to discuss all religions in a friendly surrounding.
Your voice is missing! You will need to register to get access to the following site features:- Reply to discussions and create your own threads.
- Our modern chat room. No add-ons or extensions required, just login and start chatting!
- Access to private conversations with other members.
We hope to see you as a part of our community soon!
What is energy?
- Thread starter Gambit
- Start date
Rick O'Shez
Irishman bouncing off walls
So is consciousness also a form of energy?
Rick O'Shez
Irishman bouncing off walls
We can convert matter to energy eg by burning fossil fuels.
psychoslice
Veteran Member
I really don't know, its all a mystery, and that is what it should be.
psychoslice
Veteran Member
Consciousness is before all, it cannot be conceptualized, its the Tao.
psychoslice
Veteran Member
Yes but that doesn't really tell us what it is and where it came from.
Rick O'Shez
Irishman bouncing off walls
Nice idea, but I don't think there's any evidence to support it.
psychoslice
Veteran Member
No, as I said it cannot be conceptualized, yes I can never argue about it, because it cannot be proven.
Thief
Rogue Theologian
Everything living and not living all uses energy just to manifest themselves in to the dimension we live in, the concept of energy is essentially movement and everything is always moving due to their frequencies that they are always vibrating to. Hope that helps
and the movement of thought is what kind of energy?
Is that somehow different than someone in a coma?
somehow different than someone dead?
It does not need to come from anywhere. If it did, its constancy would be violated and there is no known law of nature thar expects that.
By the way, the total energy in the Universe sums to zero, according to the latest measurements. Where does zero come from?
Ciao
- viole
Thief
Rogue Theologian
It does not need to come from anywhere. If it did, its constancy would be violated and there is no known law of nature thar expects that.
By the way, the total energy in the Universe sums to zero, according to the latest measurements. Where does zero come from?
Ciao
- viole
Who said the Creator must obey chemistry laws?
(at the moment of creation....there would be non....after creation...a fixed set of rules)
Zero would be synonymous to the 'void'.
No number system.
Last edited:
shawn001
Well-Known Member
"Brain stem activity flatlines during cardiac arrest."
This is to simplistic.
"So, you have to explain how conscious experiences are occurring during a state when the brain is nonfunctional."
If the brain is clinically brain dead, then there are no "conscious experiences occurring during a state when the brain is nonfunctional."
Peace of Mind: Near-Death Experiences Now Found to Have Scientific Explanations
Seeing your life pass before you and the light at the end of the tunnel, can be explained by new research on abnormal functioning of dopamine and oxygen flow
Peace of Mind: Near-Death Experiences Now Found to Have Scientific Explanations - Scientific American
shawn001
Well-Known Member
Yes that is how the universe evolved. As well as E=MC#
shawn001
Well-Known Member
Sorry one of your questions was to Outhouse, I was adding tto it, but the part I am posting 10 times doesn't seem to be getting through about needing a nervous system and evolution itself.
"Now will you be kind enough to tell us what actually is that fuel, stopping of which makes the brain lifeless and unconscious"
You eat and get oxygen or you die. So the fuel for consciousness comes from eating and that energy ultimately comes from the sun.
You can put people into "unconscious" no problem.
Shawn, I do not know whether you have witnessed some one dying from close or not. Once upon a time I was like you. Content with the apparent physical explanation and contemptuous of any other question. But then, I saw someone very close die on my hands. I thought that now glucose would not infuse the body with energy and the body would not say with awareness "I".
I asked myself and many people: what is now missing that the body does not say "I ......."?
Well. Many people think that the question is foolish, as if they have the answer.
Last edited:
shawn001
Well-Known Member
I just put my family dog down very recently as I held him. I really loved that dog.
The question is a big question and asked many times.
"what is now missing that the body does not say "I'."
Brain function.
Where things that die and the "I" go, nobody knows of course. I think its in most people to think that its somewhere pleasant though and that gives us comfort.
Temple Grandin brain works differently with her condition. This is from the movie on her life.
Temple Grandin: Brains are Wired Differently
.
Gambit
Well-Known Member
This doesn't explain how people are having conscious experiences while their brain is inactive.
brokensymmetry
ground state
A lot of this has been covered, so I apologize if I am simply reiterating what others have said. Nevertheless I feel compelled to throw in my observations.
Some truths about energy:
- a measure of the ability of a system to do work, that is, to cause force over some distance, cause something to accelerate.
- highly quantifiable
- equivalent to mass thanks to special relativity
- conserved in any closed system
and so on. The upshot being, the word energy in science has specific technical meanings. Since this is the science part of this subforum, I assume it is legitimate to bring up that semantics issue. There is nothing in the science of energy that allows for an interpretation in terms of an unnatural supernatural reality. That is, the physics won't support your belief in the supernatural via energy. I realize that term, along with others, have been hijacked by certain 'spiritual' personalities, but it is all illegitimate and confused.
Some truths about energy:
- a measure of the ability of a system to do work, that is, to cause force over some distance, cause something to accelerate.
- highly quantifiable
- equivalent to mass thanks to special relativity
- conserved in any closed system
and so on. The upshot being, the word energy in science has specific technical meanings. Since this is the science part of this subforum, I assume it is legitimate to bring up that semantics issue. There is nothing in the science of energy that allows for an interpretation in terms of an unnatural supernatural reality. That is, the physics won't support your belief in the supernatural via energy. I realize that term, along with others, have been hijacked by certain 'spiritual' personalities, but it is all illegitimate and confused.