What is god made of?

[Iti oj]

In the same way that one cannot define or describe what 'sweet' is, without using the word 'sweet' or including things that are sweet (eg... "like chocolate")..... such is God. You cannot describe God. So we just invent a human-style concept of a nice simple, understandable god, who is concerned with worldly mundanities like people not living together unless they have "the right paperwork", and of course, God is now a capitalist and is cool with greed, and 1% of people owning 99% of the resources. <----- it's true! The Big Man is down with that! ....I heard it in a Baptist Church is Missouri!

Aren't most things that way? tell what music sounds like if I am death. Tell me what red is if I am blind. etc

 

[MD]

You didn't respond to my point about me not being sure they truly exist. Also what assumptions am I making and how is that any different then what you are doing? Are you making a god of the gaps argument? You can't prove the brain causes everything ergo God?

You not being sure that they don't exist is an absurd statement, it's like denying you exist.

I'm simply saying that qualia can't be defined physically. By you claiming it's just 'neurochemistry' is invoking the principle of strong emergence aka magic. You believe in magic? Not very atheistic of you now.

 

[Iti oj]

You not being sure that they don't exist is an absurd statement, it's like denying you exist.

I'm simply saying that qualia can't be defined physically. By you claiming it's just 'neurochemistry' is invoking the principle of strong emergence aka magic. You believe in magic? Not very atheistic of you now.

Shows how little you know about atheism. Atheism only refers to a theist beliefs, or more accurately the lack of one. Furthermore I did not deny experence, just that the experience exist independent of us. Also you are not simply stating any more then I am. You are making an asumption as much as I am, if not more so. What is the experience of the color red? Does that exist to a blind man?

Now why is it unreasonable to 'assume' that experiences and feeling and consciousness arise from our physical bodies? We have already seen the changes in biochemestry can change the way we think, feel and perceive. We can show where in the brain certain feelings come from, and we have discovered we are not the only conscious life on this planet.

 

[MD]

Shows how little you know about atheism. Atheism only refers to a theist beliefs, or more accurately the lack of one. Furthermore I did not deny experence, just that the experience exist independent of us. Also you are not simply stating any more then I am. You are making an asumption as much as I am, if not more so. What is the experience of the color red? Does that exist to a blind man?

Now why is it unreasonable to 'assume' that experiences and feeling and consciousness arise from our physical bodies? We have already seen the changes in biochemestry can change the way we think, feel and perceive. We can show where in the brain certain feelings come from, and we have discovered we are not the only conscious life on this planet.

Maybe you should familiarize yourself with the hard problems of consciousness before continuing to defend your arguement that it all 'arises' spontaneously. The whole 'arising' argument follows the idea of something called strong emergence which basically states that completely novel properties just spontaneously pop into existence when matter is arranged in specific ways.

There is no color, or feelings, or taste in physical reality. They don't exist anywhere. Our brains are proteins and electrical signal working to transfer and relay information. Chemistry is nothing more than the interactions of particles.

 

[MattersOfTheHeart]

This is aimed mostly at monotheists, particularly Abrahamics, but any theist can answer.

A simple question: what is god made of? Light, energy, what? Is god made of anything at all? If that's the case, how does that work?

It is known by many names, but I personally believe God is made of Love.
One must then define Love, so on and so on...

 

[Iti oj]

Maybe you should familiarize yourself with the hard problems of consciousness before continuing to defend your arguement that it all 'arises' spontaneously. The whole 'arising' argument follows the idea of something called strong emergence which basically states that completely novel properties just spontaneously pop into existence when matter is arranged in specific ways.

Its not arising but progression. Also nothing spontaneous has been suggested. Me thinks your putting words in my mouth and attacking a strawmen Also what are the hard problems ? Nor are we unique or alone in its properties.

There is no color, or feelings, or taste in physical reality. They don't exist anywhere. Our brains are proteins and electrical signal working to transfer and relay information. Chemistry is nothing more than the interactions of particles.

I agree with this.

 

[Runewolf1973]

Everything that exists is nothing more than the interactions of particles. Interacting due to those fundamental forces within nature. Consciousness is emergent, but the forces that cause it to emerge are not. I regard consciousness and matter as derivative from those fundamental forces.

 

[NobodyYouKnow]

Every time this thread pops up in my subscribed threads, I want to answer:

'HUGE sugar and spice and all things nice, snips and snails and puppy-dog tails...that's what God is made of'.

There, I said it now...I don't have to worry about it anymore.

 

[Runewolf1973]

Every time this thread pops up in my subscribed threads, I want to answer:

'HUGE sugar and spice and all things nice, snips and snails and puppy-dog tails...that's what God is made of'.

There, I said it now...I don't have to worry about it anymore.

That is probably one of the most accurate answers I've heard yet. Not even kidding.

 

[Iti oj]

Every time this thread pops up in my subscribed threads, I want to answer:

'HUGE sugar and spice and all things nice, snips and snails and puppy-dog tails...that's what God is made of'.

There, I said it now...I don't have to worry about it anymore.

You win this debate, heck you might win the whole internet.

@ shahz. I think we are going off topic but this thread exist.
http://www.religiousforums.com/forum/philosophy/157372-do-qualia-feelings-exist-27.html

 

[MD]

You win this debate, heck you might win the whole internet.

@ shahz. I think we are going off topic but this thread exist.
http://www.religiousforums.com/forum/philosophy/157372-do-qualia-feelings-exist-27.html

We are not going off topic, I was simply stating that not everything can be defined physically. Even the most basic aspects of our own existence cannot be defined purely physically.

 

[Thief]

Spirit is substance and matter is spirit. What you call substance is a holographic projection of the real.

Nay...
Spirit created substance.....that's what I say.

Without a Creator the material world is a mystery without resolve.

You would end up as dead chemistry at the end of your days.

 

[Iti oj]

Nay...
Spirit created substance.....that's what I say.

Without a Creator the material world is a mystery without resolve.

You would end up as dead chemistry at the end of your days.

and?

 

[Runewolf1973]

All of existence is like a ghost or spirit. Those animate, fundamental forces within nature are that "spirit", and all material objects (matter) are that spirit as it were in a sense manifesting itself.

 

[idav]

Nay...
Spirit created substance.....that's what I say

There is no such thing as substance, everything is spirit. There is only one "substance", call it what you want.

Without a Creator the material world is a mystery without resolve.

Its a mystery with god involved as well, maybe more so.

You would end up as dead chemistry at the end of your days.

Matter and energy dont just end, everything continues as animate matter it isnt "dead".

 

[Thief]

There is no such thing as substance, everything is spirit. There is only one "substance", call it what you want.

Its a mystery with god involved as well, maybe more so.

Matter and energy dont just end, everything continues as animate matter it isnt "dead".

I have no confusion between something lacking life.....
as compared to something that can 'respond'.

After God made the universe....which I consider synonymous to 'I AM!'....
did anyone answer?

Or was there nothing but His Echo?