jaareshiah
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Let us look at the set up, shall we..
Please feel free to correct any errors you see:God is all knowingDo I need to continue?
God is all powerful
So god knew the outcome before he even started, right?
What tree was the apple from?
Where was this tree?
So Adam and Eve did not know right from wrong before they ate from the tree of right and wrong, which happened to be positioned in the middle of the garden, right?
Then god allows the satan to enter into the garden.
Cause with god being all knowing, he knew that the satan was in the garden and with god being all powerful, god could have prevented the satan from interacting with Eve.
So since god did not prevent said interaction, God was just fine with said interaction.
I mean it is plain to see for anyone without the special glasses that God purposely set Adam and Eve up to fail in the garden of Eden.
Unless of course you think that god is not omni anything...
Mestmia,
You are describing predestination, that God knows everything that is to happen, that since he "all powerful" or almighty, that he was fully aware that Adam and Eve would sin. However, this "concept" or "teaching" has several faults. For example, just because a man is strong enough to pick up 500 pounds and carry it around, does that mean that he has to carry 500 pounds wherever he goes ? Rather, does he not use his strength only when called upon, such as in a car accident whereby to save a life. Likewise of God. He has the capacity to see the future at any given time, yet he uses his power to selectively foresee the future, depending how it fits into with his everlasting purpose.
Your accepting the concept or teaching of predestination means that, prior to creating angels or earthling man, God exercised his powers of foreknowledge and foresaw and foreknew all that would result from such creation, including the rebellion of one of his spirit sons, the subsequent rebellion of the first human pair in Eden (Gen 3:1-6; John 8:44), and all the bad consequences of such rebellion down to and beyond this present day. This would necessarily mean that all the wickedness that history has recorded, the crime and immorality, oppression and resultant suffering, lying and hypocrisy, false worship and idolatry, at one time existed, before creations beginning, only in the mind of God, in the form of his foreknowledge of the future in all of its minutest details.
If the Creator of mankind had indeed exercised his power to foreknow all that history has seen since mans creation, then the full weight of all the wickedness thereafter was deliberately set in motion by God resulting was when he spoke the words: Let us make man. (Ge 1:26) These facts bring into question the reasonableness and consistency of the predestinarian concept; particularly so, since the disciple James shows that disorder and other vile things does not originate from Gods heavenly presence but are earthly, animal, demonic in source.(Jas 3:14-18)
If a mechanic knowingly installs a defective part and someone is killed, is he not bloodguilty ? Hence, if God foreknew that Adam and Eve would sin, which resulted in all of his descendants reaping death, then he would be, in effect, bloodguilty. Why did God provide a test, using the "tree of knowledge of good and bad", if he already foreknew that they would rebel ?(Gen 2:16,17)
However, our Creator, Jehovah God, did not use his power to foresee the future but rather allowed Adam and Eve freedom of choice. Eve, upon listening to the "serpent", wanted to be "like God, knowing good and bad", and thereby, by choice, set a course of independence from God. Adam later, by choice, followed suit.(Gen 3:5).
We are not robots, but instead God has given each of us freedom of choice, whether or not to want to please our Creator or serve our own interests. Adam and Eve were free moral agents who choose to rebel against God; thus setting in motion the misery and wickedness that is existing down till our day. God does twist arms or use scare tactics to have individuals serve him, such as the churches teaching of "hellfire."
Rather, Jehovah God is a "God merciful and gracious, slow to anger and abundant in loving-kindness and truth, preserving loving-kindness for thousands, pardoning error and transgression and sin, but by no means will he give exemption from punishment, bringing punishment for the error of fathers upon sons and upon grandsons, upon the third generation and upon the fourth generation.(Ex 34:6, 7)