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What is hell according to your tradition?

LuisDantas

Aura of atheification
Premium Member
Describe Hell if you believe in it.
My conception of Hell is not one to be believed in, but rather to be deployed for deeper reflections.

In a nutshell, it is a representation of the darker, most chaotic and hopeless arrangements of circunstances in this reality. It is asfixiation and despair, certainty and pointless torment. It is the substract that we all strive to rise above, yet all too often we end up diving into of our own accord.

It is foolishness made supremely manifest. It is our most rejected legacy, our most urgent challenge. It is the place we all want to avoid, yet also the one that our noblest most passionately want to reach.

It is the landscape where hopelessness takes root, and therefore where it is most necessary for good will and wisdom to come.

Our sages understand that and the logical implications, and therefore they serenely decide to manifest there and take part in the necessary karmic interactions.

Because ultimately that is the one thing that we all truly need.
 

roger1440

I do stuff
What is hell according to your tradition?
Getting back together with my ex.

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Mindmaster

Well-Known Member
Premium Member
Describe Hell if you believe in it. It is one of the teachings I was raised with that I struggle with more than all others.

According to my tradition it is a state of purification through painful trials that a soul must undergo to reach perfection and it begins in this lifetime. Some souls believe that their condition will never change, but this is a consequence of their sins that they believe this, and it is part of their hell.

I believe that eventually every soul will be purified (Even if it takes hundreds of thousands of years).

We have all experienced Hell to a certain extent.
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A fictional place that Christians stole from the Greeks? :D
 

RedDragon94

Love everyone, meditate often
The English Standard Version of the Bible only has four verses in their concordance in the back of the Bible. So from what I read, basically:
Hell is a place of fire and torment. (Matthew 5:22)
Soul and body are destroyed in hell. (Matthew 10:28)
Hell has some influence over people. (James 3:6)
And, there are angels in hell. (2 Peter 2:4)

From what I gather, people may be sent there forever but if both soul and body are destroyed that may mean that you are annihilated out of existence instead of tormented forever. I like this better than the most common Christian view, the eternal conscious torment view. I don't think a lot of Christians think about what that means if the eternal conscious torment view is true.
 

1137

Here until I storm off again
Premium Member
I absolutely do not accept any kind of Christian hell. That said, I'd say "hell" would be a loss of Self.
 

Smart_Guy

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Premium Member
Hell in the Islamic view is a real physical place of torture where no one truly dies or truly lives. It is not spiritual or just a bad place to live in. There are no places to take cover against the extreme heat and there the three things one use in this life to protect from fire; water, shade and wend, are all turned extremely hot and burning. People there will beg God to send them back to this life so they live righteously to not end up in Hell, and some others will wish they were soil. Fuel for Hell is people and stones. Bodies burn to crisp until pain reception senses are gone, then they reconstruct for more torture. One would beg for water to drink and food to eat and will be given boiling liquids that burns the inside and a tree that grows in Hell to eat of (I don't know of a description for it). Other descriptions are mentioned in the Quran and Hadeeth.

Hell in the Islamic view is not something you may ignore like in other views. ِAll bad things that could happen to one in this life is nothing that even come close to it. It is clearly mentioned in the Quran that it exists physically.
 

Spiderman

Veteran Member
Hell in the Islamic view is a real physical place of torture where no one truly dies or truly lives. It is not spiritual or just a bad place to live in. There are no places to take cover against the extreme heat and there the three things one use in this life to protect from fire; water, shade and wend, are all turned extremely hot and burning. People there will beg God to send them back to this life so they live righteously to not end up in Hell, and some others will wish they were soil. Fuel for Hell is people and stones. Bodies burn to crisp until pain reception senses are gone, then they reconstruct for more torture. One would beg for water to drink and food to eat and will be given boiling liquids that burns the inside and a tree that grows in Hell to eat of (I don't know of a description for it). Other descriptions are mentioned in the Quran and Hadeeth.

Hell in the Islamic view is not something you may ignore like in other views. ِAll bad things that could happen to one in this life is nothing that even come close to it. It is clearly mentioned in the Quran that it exists physically.
How cruel and depressing...people deserve a second chance rather than endure that forever :(
 

Smart_Guy

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Premium Member
How cruel and depressing...people deserve a second chance rather than endure that forever :(

Completely agree with you. But I assure you that not just second chances would be already given until then, but tons of chances. Let alone that the warning is already given with so much emphases in the Quran that's available everywhere now.
 

Spiderman

Veteran Member
Completely agree with you. But I assure you that not just second chances would be already given until then, but tons of chances. Let alone that the warning is already given with so much emphases in the Quran that's available everywhere now.
People don't know the Koran is true. Besides, people deserve to be enlightened and they aren't. I read the Koran and thought it was incoherent.

The crime should fit the time. A person doesn't deserve to burn for hundreds of thousands of years for sinning 80 years.
 

SalixIncendium

अहं ब्रह्मास्मि
Staff member
Premium Member
In my tradition, there is no hell as it relates to a place of punishment for ill begotten deeds. There is only causality. Cause/effect, karma/vipaka.

Any "hell" experienced throughout one's existence is a result of one's own thoughts or actions.
 

Smart_Guy

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Premium Member
People don't know the Koran is true. Besides, people deserve to be enlightened and they aren't. I read the Koran and thought it was incoherent.

The crime should fit the time. A person doesn't deserve to burn for hundreds of thousands of years for sinning 80 years.

Depending on the true intentions in the heart of people, I'm sure things would be different. All that won't make a difference tho if Quran turned out to be true. If I were in a non Muslim's shoes who heard of Islam, I'd personally consider it true and be on the safe side instead of gambling and go to Hell in the end.

But I repeat, depending on one's true intentions at heart, exceptional consideration is hopefully there for them.
 

URAVIP2ME

Veteran Member
A fictional place that Christians stole from the Greeks? :D

Christians stole, or the so-called Christians?
To me, it is important to separate what is being taught as Scripture when Not found in Scripture.
The 'Bible's hell' is Not a fictional place, but it is simply the grave.
A 'grave for the sleeping dead' who are Not conscious according to the Scriptures.
The day righteous Jesus' died then Jesus went to biblical hell - Acts of the Apostles 2:27
Jesus taught sleep in death as do the old Hebrew Scriptures - John 11:11-14; Ecclesiastes 9:5; Psalms 115:17
When the Jews began mixing with the Greeks they adopted their theories or philosophies about a burning hell.
Christendom ( Not the first-century Christians ) uses that religious-myth hell as Scripture when Not Scripture.
 

URAVIP2ME

Veteran Member
Any "hell" experienced throughout one's existence is a result of one's own thoughts or actions.

Does anyone righteous throughout one's existence experience hell ?______
Someone counted as righteous, to me, would also be the result of one's thoughts or actions.
According to the Bible, righteous Jesus on the day he died went to hell.
Went to hell because the ' Bible's hell ' is really the temporary grave for the un-conscious dead until Resurrection Day.
 

URAVIP2ME

Veteran Member
If I were in a non Muslim's shoes who heard of Islam, I'd personally consider it true and be on the safe side instead of gambling and go to Hell in the end.
But I repeat, depending on one's true intentions at heart, exceptional consideration is hopefully there for them.

To me, the first ^ above ^ part sounds like what is called as Pascal's Wager.
 

Smart_Guy

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Premium Member
Into how many languages is the Quran now translated ?

Not sure, but I see where you're coming from. Those who did not get the message have their exception. It is a general rule that with any requirements missing, the case is different. This is at least with Islam.
 

Smart_Guy

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Premium Member
To me, the first ^ above ^ part sounds like what is called as Pascal's Wager.

I'll check that up.

But the thing is, if it does turn out to be true, all that, and other philosophies, won't matter. Regretting won't help in the end.

I'm getting of topic. I prefer not to talk about here it and I don't claim I'm right nor winning an argument/debate is what I have in mind. Those are just my humble view that I wished to share.
 
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