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What is immoral about casual and friendly sex between adults?

blü 2

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Premium Member
*may be*. She may or may not be on the pill, that's the point.
Disclosures don't rule out that she has actually taken the pill during the time before the date. She may have forgotten it some day before the date...

You can't tell from the outside if the pill has been applied correctly.
So you can't rule out an unwanted pregnancy. If you can't rule out an unwanted pregnancy... then there is no reason to rule out that there will be an abortion in that scenario.
The roof might fall in or a plane crash on the hotel'

But what do you say is the moral question involved?
 

Piculet

Active Member
The roof might fall in or a plane crash on the hotel'

But what do you say is the moral question involved?
Possibly the fact that the woman takes the risk, the woman takes the losses, the woman mainly gives and the man takes.
 

blü 2

Veteran Member
Premium Member
Possibly the fact that the woman takes the risk, the woman takes the losses, the woman mainly gives and the man takes.
I see various common sense issues with that, but I don't see the moral question, which is what the OP asked about.
 

ppp

Well-Known Member
If neither party is breaching the trust between them and a third person, then I don't see a moral problem.
Me,either
As for praxis, in this age of me-too, who's allowed to broach the subject?
Either party. So long as they are forth right, are not taking advantage of a power imbalance, and willing to accept No as an answer/
 

epronovost

Well-Known Member
So you can't rule out an unwanted pregnancy. If you can't rule out an unwanted pregnancy... then there is no reason to rule out that there will be an abortion in that scenario.

It does make it extremely unlikely though and should it be required than it happens despite all precautions, then it happens. Accidents do happen and we have contingencies for them.
 

ChristineM

"Be strong", I whispered to my coffee.
Premium Member
Maybe for you since you insist on that women should be treated like property — public property.

Show me where i said that, where i insisted that.

I will wait for your apology again, i often live in hope
 

loverofhumanity

We are all the leaves of one tree
Premium Member
I can only speak of people I know who believe strongly in free love and go from person to person. It’s not all that clear cut as the OP states. I know of a relative who lives like this and has 4 children to 3 different women and they all compete for a slice of him and his wealth. So there is infighting and bickering, abuse, AVO’s being taken out against each other, violence, property being destroyed in fits of anger. Not to mention the children. They hate the other mothers and often the police have to be called. When he pays too much attention to one the others rip his shirts and smash his mobile phone. I think he’s had about 8 mobiles destroyed by now and even once they had an argument while he was driving. She got out, lit his shirt after ripping it off and then threw it in the car, exploding the car beyond recognition. The marks are still on the road to this day.

He is miserable, depressed and just drinks and drinks. He’s not married to any of these women. Seeing first hand the lifestyle of casual sex I wouldn’t recommend it.

As someone rightly pointed out in another post. Emotions get involved and when that happens all hell can and often does break loose.

Me, I am happily married now for 42 years. Stability, happiness and peace of mind are mine.

If people want to go down that path then there may be bad consequences, unthought of consequences. It’s just not worth it from my personal observation watching a life be destroyed.

Far better to find one you love and loves you and make a happy, stable life together.

This poor guy has an illness and has been given less than 2 years to live and the vultures are all circling to make sure they get a good inheritance and he knows it and it’s killing him with all these once ‘casual flings’ now waiting for him to die to collect $$$$.

I wish he had listened to us and just taken one wife but he thought there was no harm in a casual fling, so he is in the worst, the very worst mental hell that he made himself by thinking casual sex has no consequences. It does have consequences even if we think it doesn’t and I strongly recommend marriage and a lifelong partner.
 

sun rise

The world is on fire
Premium Member
Seems to me their marriage was traditional and not open. In which case one partner was cheating, divorce makes sense.
They told each other and everyone that they had an 'open' marriage. But their emotions were truly different than they thought they had.
 

Rise

Well-Known Member
Null hypothesis

The word "null hypothesis" doesn't mean anything by itself, and therefore doesn't constitute a valid argument.
A proper argument has a premise and a conclusion with a logical argument connecting the two together.

It therefore doesn't support your claim that anything I said was supposedly not relevant.

Your claim is therefore still a logical fallacy of argument by assertion. Merely asserting that something I said is not relevant doesn't make it so just because you assert it is. You'd have to give actual reasons to support your claim.
 

blü 2

Veteran Member
Premium Member
It does make it extremely unlikely though and should it be required than it happens despite all precautions, then it happens. Accidents do happen and we have contingencies for them.
Ahm, I didn't say what your post attributes to me. That's the text I was replying to.
 

blü 2

Veteran Member
Premium Member
Causing harm to another person — does that ring a bell? Being unfair — does that ring a bell?
No, each is an adult giving an informed consent and accepting such risk as may be involved after full disclosure.

As a question about morality, it rings no bells at all.

As for abortion, that's a question of choice for the woman.
 
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ppp

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The word "null hypothesis" doesn't mean anything by itself, and therefore doesn't constitute a valid argument.
It wasn't an argument. And if you cannot be bothered to educate yourself as to what the null hypothesis is, that is not my problem.
 
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