What is immoral about casual and friendly sex between adults?

[Evangelicalhumanist]

The husband and wife have made an agreement. Breaking that agreement is wrong.

Consider, if one partner wants to play away, should not the other partner have equal freedom's or is the marriage build not only on deception but on hypocrisy too?

This is quite correct. If you make a promise to someone (which I understand is what many couples do at the altar) then you ought to honour it. And if you don't honour it, you have to ask yourself, first, why you would make it in the first place, and second, why the person who made the same promise to you should be any more bound than you are.

Interestingly, I've been with my lover for nearly 3 decades. We started long before marriage was available in Canada, and frankly, I no longer care about such formalities. And we have never promised fidelity to one another forever. And yet, for some reason or other, I've never done anything outside of our relationship. I don't think my lover has, either, but then again, it never occurred to me to ask him.

 

[ChristineM]

I'm sorry, I'm afraid it's going to bounce back to how atheists can't accept God's revelation because of...arrogance? Ignorance? Don't they go together?

Why should anyone accept the words in a human written story about a mythical power of which there is no evidence?

 

[ppp]

It's your reasoning that is inadequate. Use your brain. God created it for you to use it.

I know you are but what am I? Times a trillion.

 

[ChristineM]

This is quite correct. If you make a promise to someone (which I understand is what many couples do at the altar) then you ought to honour it. And if you don't honour it, you have to ask yourself, first, why you would make it in the first place, and second, why the person who made the same promise to you should be any more bound than you are.

Interestingly, I've been with my lover for nearly 3 decades. We started long before marriage was available in Canada, and frankly, I no longer care about such formalities. And we have never promised fidelity to one another forever. And yet, for some reason or other, I've never done anything outside of our relationship. I don't think my lover has, either, but then again, it never occurred to me to ask him.

Sounds like you have it just right for you. All the best to you both

 

[Evangelicalhumanist]

It's your reasoning that is inadequate. Use your brain. God created it for you to use it.

I've seen little evidence from you that obey your own advice. You do not appear to reason, you appear to accept rules whose origins you accept without any evidence at all.

 

[Evangelicalhumanist]

It's now immoral to admit to having morals?

Not at all. Only to assert that yours are the only correct ones.

 

[ChristineM]

Well, marriage also suggests we are to love and cherish another, but you see couples get into heated disputes every so often (fights), which is an obvious break in constant 'cherishing'... So temporary marital breaks and remendings are good for one aspect but not the other?

...That doesn't make sense.

One can still cherish and argue.

One cannot cheat and remain faithful.

If you want to play away then agree the terms with your partner or dont do it. We are talking honesty here,. Isn't honesty a part of cherishing?

 

[Cooky]

This is quite correct. If you make a promise to someone (which I understand is what many couples do at the altar) then you ought to honour it. And if you don't honour it, you have to ask yourself, first, why you would make it in the first place, and second, why the person who made the same promise to you should be any more bound than you are.

Interestingly, I've been with my lover for nearly 3 decades. We started long before marriage was available in Canada, and frankly, I no longer care about such formalities. And we have never promised fidelity to one another forever. And yet, for some reason or other, I've never done anything outside of our relationship. I don't think my lover has, either, but then again, it never occurred to me to ask him.

Marriage and religion are very similar... imaginary rules written down one day, and expected to be adhered to. As if a religious person can't willfully sin and remain within his religion, a married person can willfully cheat and still be married.

 

[ChristineM]

Marriage and religion are very similar... imaginary rules written down one day, and expected to be adhered to. As if a religious person can't willfully sin and remain within his religion, a married person can willfully cheat and still be married.

You can still be married but a cheating hypocrite just like you can be a religious terrorist, murderer, rapist etc

 

[Evangelicalhumanist]

Marriage and religion are very similar... imaginary rules written down one day, and expected to be adhered to. As if a religious person can't willfully sin and remain within his religion, a married person can willfully cheat and still be married.

Yes, that's true. But what you can't do is maintain that you are still honest (without being a total hypocrite).

But let's also be honest -- sometimes things just happen. You (or your other half) may be away for a time, and one of those moments presents itself. As a human, those can be very hard to resist. Add a little "grease" (like alcohol) for example, and things get even murkier -- as I said, things happen.

But once they've happened, what do you do? What should you do? It is possible that if you were not playing safe, you might have picked up something that you could bring home and inflict upon the person you claim to love the most. Do you owe her/him the honesty to say something? Is the danger of ending your marriage, and breaking up your family, really going to relieve you of that responsibility?

I'm not answering those questions, by the way. I'm just asking them...

 

[Cooky]

You can still be married but a cheating hypocrite just like you can be a religious terrorist, murderer, rapist etc

Indeed. And if they break the law, they should be jailed.

...But cheating outside a marriage is not illegal. Therefore, it's not immoral.

 

[ChristineM]

Indeed. And if they break the law, they should be jailed.

...But cheating outside a marriage is not illegal. Therefore, it's not immoral.

I think you should look up the meanings of illegal and immoral

 

[ppp]

Indeed. And if they break the law, they should be jailed.

...But cheating outside a marriage is not illegal. Therefore, it's not immoral.

Legality has little to do with morality.

 

[Cooky]

Yes, that's true. But what you can't do is maintain that you are still honest (without being a total hypocrite).

But let's also be honest -- sometimes things just happen. You (or your other half) may be away for a time, and one of those moments presents itself. As a human, those can be very hard to resist. Add a little "grease" (like alcohol) for example, and things get even murkier -- as I said, things happen.

But once they've happened, what do you do? What should you do? It is possible that if you were not playing safe, you might have picked up something that you could bring home and inflict upon the person you claim to love the most. Do you owe her/him the honesty to say something? Is the danger of ending your marriage, and breaking up your family, really going to relieve you of that responsibility?

I'm not answering those questions, by the way. I'm just asking them...

The same could be said in an open marriage. There's always that chance, and giving your partner the "ok" to have sex with another is not the same as saying they're ok with you bringing home an STD.

 

[McBell]

I'm sorry, I'm afraid it's going to bounce back to how atheists can't accept God's revelation because of...arrogance? Ignorance? Don't they go together?

Could it possbly be that you theists have not been able to present a single thing to convinve atheists that your god even exists, let alone has a bunch of arbitrary rules one has to follow in order to avoid hell?

Nope, that can not possibly be it....

 

[Cooky]

Legality has little to do with morality.

I think you should look up the meanings of illegal and immoral

As a newfound atheist, perhaps you could teach me what is unacceptable with *facts* and *actual evidence* not based in the imagination then.

 

[Piculet]

Unless hormonal birth control has a perfect success rate of 100% (which it doesn't), then it is not more effective than PrEP.

It's more than your 99%

The implant itself is a very small plastic rod about the size of a matchstick. A doctor inserts it into the upper arm, right under the skin. According to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC), the typical use failure rate is 0.05 percent
Birth Control Implant: Effects, Benefits, and Disadvantages

 

[Piculet]

Could it possbly be that you theists have not been able to present a single thing to convinve atheists that your god even exists, let alone has a bunch of arbitrary rules one has to follow in order to avoid hell?

Nope, that can not possibly be it....

You're right, it's not.

 

[Piculet]

Why should anyone accept the words in a human written story about a mythical power of which there is no evidence?

Is this a trick question?......to prove they're not being arrogant or ignorant?

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

It's more than your 99%

That's nice, but those are two very different things. Either way, you do as you please. I'll continue with PrEP.