What is Islam and Muhammad and the Koran is

[kai]

funny. we can't be friends with non-Muslims but we can marry them? Christians and Jews (because they are People of the Book) are permissible for marriage; we can marry them, but i guess we have to hate them too. ;

looks like you didn't read it very well.

But ssainhu females are forbidden to marry non Muslims arnt they? and Men arnt they supposed to only marry chaste and pious Christians or Jews? and neither men nor women are allowed to marry non-believers are they?

 

[tomato1236]

Yes, it is Mecca and I hope to God luck Ba Go to Mecca and see the feelings of Muslims and embrace Islam
Thousand thanks to you and your presence here

Aw. I was hoping you would hope I convert to Islam like you hope for Lionheart and Pete. Oh well. Hopefully I will get to embrace many muslims.

 

[tomato1236]

And what does not happen easily happen as soon as your ad to Islam you will find yourself among the Muslims and this is what I hope for you and all

Oh, well that's not a problem. I'll just pretend I'm a Muslim and go in. What are they going to do, check my membership card?

 

[Sahar]

But ssainhu females are forbidden to marry non Muslims arnt they? and Men arnt they supposed to only marry chaste and pious Christians or Jews? and neither men nor women are allowed to marry non-believers are they?

Yes, you are right. But the point is if Muslim men are allowed to marry women from the people of the book so it becomes baseless to say Muslims are supposed to hate whoever happened to be a non Muslim.

 

[talal hail]

I am not here to debate religious I'm here just to try and spread of Islam and the definition of where people
I hope that everyone understands the weakness of my English
From now I will try to develop myself Ba English Language
So that gives me more space to talk with you

 

[Bowman]

I am not here to debate religious I'm here just to try and spread of Islam and the definition of where people
I hope that everyone understands the weakness of my English
From now I will try to develop myself Ba English Language
So that gives me more space to talk with you

Then why do you post in a debate forum?

 

[kai]

Yes, you are right. But the point is if Muslim men are allowed to marry women from the people of the book so it becomes baseless to say Muslims are supposed to hate whoever happened to be a non Muslim.

Hi not4me
I dont think you are supposed to hate them but you have to keep a certain distance (so to speak) -no?

Tell me can Muslim men marry non muslim women in non muslim countries or just in Muslim Countries.

And is it correct that Muslim men are the head of the family so muslim women should not be under the "authority" of a non Muslim?

and can it be women of the Book or do they have do be chaste and pious?

 

[Wombat]

Well, I am assuredly an atheist but I can appreciate beauty when I see and hear it.

Me too-

 

[Muffled]

I think you mean Qiblah (the direction of prayer)

If Muslims pray with their heads bowed down to the ground, does that mean they believe their god is in the fiery pit?

As a Christian I may pray anytime, anywhere in any way.

 

[Muffled]

And what does not happen easily happen as soon as your ad to Islam you will find yourself among the Muslims and this is what I hope for you and all

You can hope until the cows turn blue, because I have more than I could ever ask for in Jesus.

 

[Sahar]

Hi not4me
I dont think you are supposed to hate them but you have to keep a certain distance (so to speak) -no?

Tell me can Muslim men marry non muslim women in non muslim countries or just in Muslim Countries.

And is it correct that Muslim men are the head of the family so muslim women should not be under the "authority" of a non Muslim?

and can it be women of the Book or do they have do be chaste and pious?

I believe you know the answers to these questions very well.
1 - How close it should be, is dependent on the beliefs and the character of the person (even if he was a Muslim).
2 - Do you have a link that explains that opinion in details with providing justifications? I believe that opinion says it's not preferred to marry a non Muslim woman in a non Muslim country, the reasons could be that the Muslim there need everything that preserve his religion and that of his kids. The Muslim woman shall be more capable of doing this job.
3 - I am not sure about phrasing it this way "because Muslim women should not be under the authority of a non Muslim". The Muslim husband is the head of the house. If we talked about a non Muslim husband the rules are going to be much different. The Muslim husband has obligations that stems from the fact that he is Muslim. The Muslim husband has the responsibility to protect his family on the physical, spiritual and emotional levels. He has to support it financially. The kids are going to have his name and his religion. How can I ask a non believer to fulfill these obligations? How can I ask him to preserve his Muslim wife's faith? What should we tell him if he wanted his kids to follow his religion or beliefs?
I'd like to quote Fullyveiled Muslimah's thoughts on this:

I would personally never want to marry a non-muslim. A man I can't connect with spiritually is a man I can't connect with period. Everything else can fit like a glove, but if I can't talk to him about the greatness of Allah, the benefits of the sunnah because he does not believe in the sunnah. I can't discuss the virtues of salaat because he does not perform salaat. He would not necessarily encourage me to make salaat if I wasn't doing it. If I can't talk to him about the virtues of Quran then what? I can't talk to him about the ills of polytheism because he himself is a polytheist (speaking of trinity believing christians). If I can't get encouragement to practice Islam from him what can I get from him that is beneficial? Anything else of value that he has to offer me I could find in another man with the added bonus that he believes as I do.

Will he encourage me to go to church with him? Probably, but to me it is an invitation to shirk which is in turn an invitation to the wrong path. If I teach my child that the worship of Jesus is wrong, he will teach my child that it is not. What will the child do then other than be confused. More often than not the children in these cases chooses Christianity because it is generally easier to follow than Islam. Islam has practical rules that outwardly present themselves, and Christianity less so. No ramadan, no salaat, no quran reading, no masjid, all food is okay to be consumed, etc etc is attached to the road of Christianity. To most adults as well as children that road is infinitely easier and thus more appealing.

4- Basically if you are a good Muslim, when you choose to marry even a Muslim woman, you should choose the pious one. The prophet pbuh urged Muslims to marry the woman who is committed to her religion. Then naturally if you want to marry a woman from the people of the book, you should choose the pious one that will help you to preserve your faith and that of your children.

A muslim man cannot marry a woman of any religion he chooses. He is able to only marry a woman from Christianity or Judaism. This woman must be a pious practicing woman of her religion. Her piety will ensure that so many issues that a two-religion home can bring about are minimized. A pious Christian woman won't be angry that her husband attends the masjid. A pious Jew woman isn't going to see any difference between the strict monotheism of her religion and of Islam. In this case she may even accept Islam, or at minimum she won't try to drag her husband away from it, even if she does not accept it for herself.

 

[Meow Mix]

I'd just like to say, I just finished reading the Quran and clearly if you think you have muslim friends, you are mistaken. Or they are not true to their belief. Muslims are not to befriend infidels at all.

I think it's sad you think that way. I most definitely have Muslim friends here and nothing about your ignorance can change that.

Also, please don't bring America into your dislike for Muslims, we have a bad reputation for being ignorantly hateful as it is. Perhaps for a good reason...

 

[Wombat]

... please don't bring America into your dislike for Muslims, we have a bad reputation for being ignorantly hateful as it is. Perhaps for a good reason...

Hey Meow Mix.....Don't ever put yourselves down! You guys have a great "reputation for being ignorantly hateful"! ;-)

It's not as good as ours....but hey...we can see you're in there trying! ;-)

Lotsalove from your cousins in Oz.

 

[nameless]

3 - I am not sure about phrasing it this way "because Muslim women should not be under the authority of a non Muslim". The Muslim husband is the head of the house. If we talked about a non Muslim husband the rules are going to be much different. The Muslim husband has obligations that stems from the fact that he is Muslim. The Muslim husband has the responsibility to protect his family on the physical, spiritual and emotional levels. He has to support it financially. The kids are going to have his name and his religion. How can I ask a non believer to fulfill these obligations? How can I ask him to preserve his Muslim wife's faith? What should we tell him if he wanted his kids to follow his religion or beliefs?

if a muslim women wills to live with a non-muslim under circumstances you mentioned, why she is to be restricted?

 

[kai]

I believe you know the answers to these questions very well.
1 - How close it should be, is dependent on the beliefs and the character of the person (even if he was a Muslim).
2 -

Do you have a link that explains that opinion in details with providing justifications?

I believe that opinion says it's not preferred to marry a non Muslim woman in a non Muslim country, the reasons could be that the Muslim there need everything that preserve his religion and that of his kids. The Muslim woman shall be more capable of doing this job.
3 - I am not sure about phrasing it this way "because Muslim women should not be under the authority of a non Muslim". The Muslim husband is the head of the house. If we talked about a non Muslim husband the rules are going to be much different. The Muslim husband has obligations that stems from the fact that he is Muslim. The Muslim husband has the responsibility to protect his family on the physical, spiritual and emotional levels. He has to support it financially. The kids are going to have his name and his religion. How can I ask a non believer to fulfill these obligations? How can I ask him to preserve his Muslim wife's faith? What should we tell him if he wanted his kids to follow his religion or beliefs?
I'd like to quote Fullyveiled Muslimah's thoughts on this:


4- Basically if you are a good Muslim, when you choose to marry even a Muslim woman, you should choose the pious one. The prophet pbuh urged Muslims to marry the woman who is committed to her religion. Then naturally if you want to marry a woman from the people of the book, you should choose the pious one that will help you to preserve your faith and that of your children.

Thanks for the answer not4me


heres a couple of links i have been looking at:

“It is not permissible for a Muslim woman to marry a kafir (non-Muslim), whether he is Jewish, Christian or an atheist because the man has authority over his wife, and it is not permissible for a kafir to have authority over a Muslim woman. There are decisive texts from the Qur’an which refer to the prohibition of such marriage. For example, Allah Almighty says, “And give not (your daughters) in marriage to Al Mushrikun (atheists) till they believe (in Allah Alone)” (Al-Baqarah: 221)
And “And never will Allah grant to the disbelievers a way (to triumph) over the believers” (An-Nisaa’: 141)

Read more: Can a Muslim Woman Marry a Non-Muslim? - IslamonLine.net - Ask The Scholar

Islam considers the husband head-of-the-family and therefore
requires that a Muslima cannot marry a non-Muslim because she
will be under the authority of a non-muslim husband. He may
prevent her from carrying out her religious obligations by
either pressuring her or physically abusing her. But it is not
the sole reason for imposing the restriction. The situation is
considered very damaging for the woman to practise Islam
afterwards and even worse for the kids in such marriages. There
are NO conditions mentioned under which a Muslim woman IS
allowed to get married or remain married to a non-Muslim husband
after she has accepted Islam. Therefore, even if she has freedom
to practise Islam after marriage, she is NOT allowed to enter
into an inter-faith marriage

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Marriage between Muslims and nonMuslims

 

[Sahar]

if a muslim women wills to live with a non-muslim under circumstances you mentioned, why she is to be restricted?

Restricted by who?
I was describing the Islamic stance. If Muslims don't want to follow their religion, it's their problem.
Edit: of course such marriage won't be legal in an Islamic state that follows Islamic law.

 

[nameless]

Restricted by who?

islam, because it offers punishment for muslims who move away from islamic teachings...

I was describing the Islamic stance. If Muslims don't want to follow their religion, it's their problem.

thus they are to be persecuted?

of course such marriage won't be legal in an Islamic state that follows Islamic law.

so women has no freedom to chose her partner? where is women rights?

 

[Bismillah]

so women has no freedom to chose her partner? where is women rights?

She has rights. She can marry a non-Muslim man, but it is her own rights she will be violating. She will rid herself the right of raising her children in an Islamic home, of sharing a spiritual connection with her husband, and of bringing her family in the Muslim Ummah.

 

[Sahar]

She has rights. She can marry a non-Muslim man...

Abibi I think under Islamic Shari'a system, this won't be legal...

 

[Bismillah]

Wait we are talking about Shariah? I thought it was the West?