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What is Islam in the True Sense ?

The way of life taught by all Prophets and Wise men of every age. Indeed, Buddha did teach Islam, as did Thoth, as did Lao Tzu. Although it may be said, that Thoth and Lao Tzu taught a much higher form of Islam, one that was designed for people who have grasped the basic concepts of self-denial and harnessing control over the animalistic desires, has controlled the chaos of emotion and learned to identify the divinity within himself, it is still the same core teaching as that brought by Prophet Muhammad, peace & blessings be upon him, and all other Prophets, Messengers and Wise Men that preceeded him (pbuh), from Adam (pbuh) on down. That's my opinion.


what is yours?
 

dynavert2012

Active Member
i didn't go deeply in buddhism, but i think the two main branches of buddhism"Mahayana and Theravada" don't concern mainly about god or monotheism but it concerns about buddha and his wisdom, which i don't see it's matched with islamic monotheism that put the god above all and has no partner
 
i didn't go deeply in buddhism, but i think the two main branches of buddhism"Mahayana and Theravada" don't concern mainly about god or monotheism but it concerns about buddha and his wisdom, which i don't see it's matched with islamic monotheism that put the god above all and has no partner

i dont believe buddha had any partners
 
also Islam, Tao, Brahman, Nirvana - call it what you will, all are a manifestation of harmony between man and the flow of the universe (or God if you please)
 

DawudTalut

Peace be upon you.
Peace be on all.
AHMADIYYA MUSLIM RESOURCE:
"...........Even in contemporary Buddhism, it is wrong to say that none of the Buddhists believe in God or gods. Although the predominant sects, Mahayans and Theravadins, are known to believe only in the ultimate inherent wisdom in man which Buddhaas perfected, they too believe in many superstitions and demonic figures which substitute God for them. This impression of the Buddhists' negation of God is also wrong on another count. An exploration of early Buddhist sources as we shall demonstrate, reveals ample proof that Buddhism began like any other Divinely revealed faith with its emphasis on the Unity of God..............."
Resource: https://www.alislam.org/library/books/revelation/part_2_section_2.html
 

Draupadi

Active Member
The way of life taught by all Prophets and Wise men of every age. Indeed, Buddha did teach Islam, as did Thoth, as did Lao Tzu. Although it may be said, that Thoth and Lao Tzu taught a much higher form of Islam, one that was designed for people who have grasped the basic concepts of self-denial and harnessing control over the animalistic desires, has controlled the chaos of emotion and learned to identify the divinity within himself, it is still the same core teaching as that brought by Prophet Muhammad, peace & blessings be upon him, and all other Prophets, Messengers and Wise Men that preceeded him (pbuh), from Adam (pbuh) on down. That's my opinion.


what is yours?

Can you provide us proofs?
 

LuisDantas

Aura of atheification
Premium Member
also Islam, Tao, Brahman, Nirvana - call it what you will, all are a manifestation of harmony between man and the flow of the universe (or God if you please)

Doesn't it come down to deciding whether Faiths that do not claim to be expressing the will of God (and in some cases don't even have a conception of God) are ultimately doing God's Will?

And, uh, would you be so kind and well-disposed as to discuss this matter in General Religious Debates or Comparative Religion? I would love the opportunity to pitch in.
 
Doesn't it come down to deciding whether Faiths that do not claim to be expressing the will of God (and in some cases don't even have a conception of God) are ultimately doing God's Will?

And, uh, would you be so kind and well-disposed as to discuss this matter in General Religious Debates or Comparative Religion? I would love the opportunity to pitch in.

yes, but my question for you would be what is in fact God's will?
 
Can you provide us proofs?

In Taoism or Daoism (depending on transliteration) eternal truth is embodied in a being what is term as Tao whose attributes are spiritual and holy rather than material. Tao can be aptly defined as a personification of eternal virtues. They are precisely the same attributes as ascribed to God in Islam and other Divinely revealed religions. Taoism teaches man to completely submit to Truth (Tao), and to strive to modulate Tao. Tao is the model, and Taoism is the way to gain nearness to this model.

Surah 2:139

The hues of God! And who is more beautiful in hues than God?—and Him alone do we worship

In Islam God is described and introduced through His attributes and the goal set for Muslims is to emulate them to modulate their lives. The description of Tao, presented by Lao-tzu, is quite similar to the attributes of God mentioned in the Quran
 

Draupadi

Active Member
In Hinduism and other polytheist religions they have such concepts of the Supreme and Ultimate Deity. But what does it have to do with Allah? Most such pagan religions believe that the universe is part of God and they also believe in reincarnation. There are occasionally no concept of Satan, paradise and hell. How did such huge difference originate?
 

TashaN

Veteran Member
Premium Member
The way of life taught by all Prophets and Wise men of every age. Indeed, Buddha did teach Islam, as did Thoth, as did Lao Tzu. Although it may be said, that Thoth and Lao Tzu taught a much higher form of Islam, one that was designed for people who have grasped the basic concepts of self-denial and harnessing control over the animalistic desires, has controlled the chaos of emotion and learned to identify the divinity within himself, it is still the same core teaching as that brought by Prophet Muhammad, peace & blessings be upon him, and all other Prophets, Messengers and Wise Men that preceeded him (pbuh), from Adam (pbuh) on down. That's my opinion.


what is yours?

While it might be tempting to claim the previous spiritual teachers were sent by God, one can't simply assume so if it wasn't clearly mentioned in the Quran nor mentioned by Prophet Mohamed himself. We simply believe there have been many similar teachers but we can't simply name them since we don't really know and there is no valid proofs.
 

TashaN

Veteran Member
Premium Member
Anyhow, if you still interested you can start the thread anywhere you like and put a link here so we can join you. Maybe it's better that you start it so we know what other aspects you would like to discuss there which you can't do it here.
 

Jahan

New Member
THE GENERAL IMPRESSION that prevails in the world about Buddhism is that it is a philosophy of life which, though counted among religions, does not prescribe to the existence of God. This impression is only partially correct. Even in contemporary Buddhism, it is wrong to say that none of the Buddhists believe in God or gods. Although the predominant sects, Mahayans and Theravadins, are known to believe only in the ultimate inherent wisdom in man which Buddhaas perfected, they too believe in many superstitions and demonic figures which substitute God for them. This impression of the Buddhists' negation of God is also wrong on another count. An exploration of early Buddhist sources as we shall demonstrate, reveals ample proof that Buddhism began like any other Divinely revealed faith with its emphasis on the Unity of God.

As for the position of Buddha (563–483 BC) among the Buddhists, although he is not directly worshipped as a deity, there is very little difference between the veneration shown to the Buddha by the Buddhists and the manner of worship of God found in other religions. They revere him and pay homage to him, bow to his images and statues and prostrate before them like the adherents of any other idolatrous religion in the world.

In fact, despite the denial of God by most Buddhists, deep within their hearts there seems to be lurking a desire to worship something. It is this which is manifested in their veneration of Buddha. The same unquenchable innate thirst for God etched deep upon the human soul urges them to worship Him, or something, if not Him. So it is to fill this void that the Buddhists worship the Buddha without formally recognizing him to be a god.

It must also be mentioned here that in the Tibetan form of Buddhism not only is the existence of superhuman deities or demons a part and parcel of their faith, but also they certainly believe in communication with them. The selection of a new Panchen Lama for instance, requires many rites and rituals to be performed, to obtain guidance from gods as to which one of the newborn Tibetan children should be the future Panchen Lama.

The Buddhist philosophy, teachings and practices remained to be transmitted only verbally for almost five hundred years after Buddha, except in the case of inscriptions on the rocks and stupas made during the illustrious reign of Ashoka (273–232 BC). Ashoka, it should be remembered, appeared some three hundred years after his spiritual master, Buddhaas. This fact in itself is of vital importance because these writings can certainly serve the purpose of judging Buddha's philosophy and way of life from the vantage point of Ashoka. Moreover, at a time when nothing of Buddhism was committed to writing, it was Ashoka alone who left behind a written account of what he understood to be Buddha's teachings. Again, his authority as a true representative of Buddha has never been challenged. What remains therefore, is simply a case of different interpretations.

As far as the story of Buddha is concerned, although it too was committed to writing many centuries after his demise, it has been unanimously accepted by all researchers without serious disagreement. This knowledge seems to have been passed on from generation to generation. Hence the personality of Buddha and his lifestyle appear to have a continuity, beginning from Buddha himself to the present day.

From this, it is reasonable to conclude, that an understanding of Buddha and Buddhism which accords with these two sources i.e. the life of Buddha and the writings on the stupas, should have the stronger claim to acceptance. Against this, such views as are clearly at variance with them may safely be rejected. However, if the early sources seem to contradict each other, caution has to be applied in accepting one and rejecting the other.
 
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