Altfish
Veteran Member
I stated that problem in my initial post - but it is only the executioners who have that problem; the victim is passed caring.
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What is it with Radical Muslims and beheadings?
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Shadow Link
Active Member
Well, when you have systems of education that limit the teachings of Stoicism...
By idiots, maybe. Guns kill a heck of a lot of people.
People may also have a personal connection to an issue: if someone had a loved one killed in a firearm homicide or suicide, then it's understandable that they'd be personally invested in the issue. AFAIK, though, @Landon Caeli 's only personal connection to the issue of ISIS beheadings is prejudice.
Maybe I'm wrong - maybe he had a loved one beheaded by ISIS. But if he did, I'd think he would have opened with that.
Do you remember the initial phase of the invasion of Iraq?
It was called Shock and Awe.
A huge spectacle of violence intended to intimidate the Iraqi people as the USA invaded their country. Public beheadings are generally the same, on a vastly smaller scale.
Tom
Salvador
RF's Swedenborgian
The vast majority of gun-related deaths in America are deaths by suicide, which were deaths of people who wanted to die.
Father Heathen
Veteran Member
Lead by example. Let me help you get started:
10 Atrocities Committed by the British Empire that They Would Like to Erase from History Books
@ me once you've created the thread.
Altfish
Veteran Member
I got this for Xmas ...
https://www.amazon.co.uk/52-Times-B...rds=UK+History&qid=1577567302&s=books&sr=1-12
... I'm very aware of our atrocious history and we are heading back to those days with Johnson and Brexit
Father Heathen
Veteran Member
...but did you create a thread about it so you'd be free to criticize others, as per your requirements?
Kangaroo Feathers
Yea, it is written in the Book of Cyril...
Shock and awe, specifically, to instill terror. But the tribal right reaaally doesn't like it if you point out that this qualifies as terrorism by virtually all working definitions of the term, so I guess we won't mention it.
Motor vehicle collisions especially are hardly random occurrences. Many of them are even the direct result of morally culpable acts, such as deciding to drive distracted or impaired.
If it's deliberate, premeditated brutal killings that are your focus, fair enough. Still, even with that motivation, why would ISIS beheadings be your focus? The number of people executed by ISIS every year is still less than the number of brutal deaths on a bad day by Mexican drug cartels.
You brought up one potential reason for focusing on ISIS: racism. Do you have any other motivation to skip over much worse problems to make that your focus?
Suicidal ideation isn't generally a matter of clear-headedly "wanting to die;" it's a symptom of a mental health crisis.
Cooky
Veteran Member
Ad hominem fallacy. Try again using actual logic.
Kangaroo Feathers
Yea, it is written in the Book of Cyril...
Well... they are brown people... but their Christianity might muddy up the sanctimonious Muslim bashing a bit much. Probably best to ignore them.
Meh. What's with Christians burning people at the stake, Jewish people stoning folks to death, and Norse pagans cutting blood eagles into people's backs? It's barbaric, but it'll go away sooner or later. The world doesn't exist in a vacuum, and traditional punishments can only be enforced in a progressive world for so long before they must modernise as well -especially if they want to participate in that progressive world. I just wish that progression would happen sooner.
As for what beheadings have to do with islam, I notice extreme punishments doled out by followers don't really have much to do with their religious teachings. Where in the bible does it say that people should be burned at the stake? Christians have always seemed fond of that method throughout history.
As for what beheadings have to do with islam, I notice extreme punishments doled out by followers don't really have much to do with their religious teachings. Where in the bible does it say that people should be burned at the stake? Christians have always seemed fond of that method throughout history.
Or a state, for that matter?
Canada abolished capital punishment in 1976 (44 years ago), but our last execution was in 1962 (58 years ago). I am personally happy that this is so, and always fight the occasional conservative campaign for us to reinstate it and get back to the "godly work" of killing people.
Seems somewhat at odds with what you said to me in another thread this morning...
Cooky
Veteran Member
I wouldn't go so far as to call it "godly work" when certain religions, like Catholicism, reject it.
dianaiad
Well-Known Member
Only by taking away the political power that Muslims currently enjoy in many nations will that change....and even then, it's dicey. See, I have a problem in that I belong to a religion that, first, freedom of religion is important, whether those believers agree with us or not. This is encoded in what most people would call our 'creed,' our Articles of Faith. Because that is so, it's not possible for us to punish, corporeally or legally, those who commit 'blasphemy,' or leave, or disagree with us. Because that is so, our religious beliefs and our political beliefs are absolutely separate. Why, we even have liberals.
Even our ideas of the 'Second Coming' have government and religion separate.
However, we do seem to be a bit 'odd man out' in that area...most religions, and atheists for that matter, are so sure that their way is the only right way (well, so are we, actually...) that they feel justified in forcing their ways upon everybody else, period. We just figure that the choice should be 'theirs,' not 'ours.' Even if we think that "they" are being terminally stupid in those choices. (shrug) Still their choice.
the problem here is that Muslims SEEM to be having more of a problem with this than some...like that recent poll that indicates that a huge percentage of Muslims in the USA think that Sharia Law should trump the Constitution. That attitude needs to be dealt with.
Cooky
Veteran Member
I'm not focusing on ISIS Though... That's your error. I'm focusing on *all* the radical Islamist groups, and the nations too.
You would like it if we could squeeze them all into the little 'ISIS' box, but that's just not the reality of it.
sooda
Veteran Member
Beheading was quite pupular during the French Revolution/