What is less gestation period of the fetus What is the position of Islam them ???

[mahasn ebn sawresho]

Sorry, it all sounds silly to me.

I did not understand what you said well
Are my words is silly or Thread
If my words, I am the oldest theme
And it can participate in dialogue
And if the subject matter I offer from the Koran
And offer you my respect

 

[psychoslice]

I did not understand what you said well
Are my words is silly or Thread
If my words, I am the oldest theme
And it can participate in dialogue
And if the subject matter I offer from the Koran
And offer you my respect

Yes it all sound ridiculers.

 

[mahasn ebn sawresho]

Actually there is no discussion......There is just persistent-misunderstanding by some friends that [heaven forbidden] Quran does not know how long a pregnancy is? Actually it is not what Quran speaks, and it is shown above again.

Good wishes.

Interpretation of the Koran of Muslim Scholars
They say that less gestation period of the fetus is viable for six months
Do you believe this explanation ???

 

[mahasn ebn sawresho]

Yes it all sound ridiculers.

Do you think that the Koran explain this method is not true
Offer you important information about Islam only
That is why I am in this intellectual forum
He forum where free dialogue

 

[DawudTalut]

He says and births breastfeed their children full Holin [Al-Baqarah: 233].

Peace be on you friend.
Quran did not mention 9 or 6 or 7 months, there are no such words, if there are please show!.....Just in one verse it mentioned 30 months for bearing+weaning, which has explanation.

Here is the translation, first verse
[2:234] And mothers shall give suck to their children for two whole years; this is for (man) who desires to complete the suckling. And the man to whom the child belongs shall be responsible for their (the mothers’) food and clothing according to usage. No soul is burdened beyond its capacity. The mother shall not make the father suffer on account of her child, nor shall he to whom the child belongs make the mother suffer on account of his child, and the same is incumbent on the heir. If they both decide upon weaning the child by mutual consent and consultation, there is no blame on them. And if you desire to engage a wetnurse for your children, there shall be no blame on you, provided you pay what you have agreed to pay, in a fair manner. And fear Allah and know that Allah sees what you do.

His mother and placed unwillingly and involuntarily campaign and weaning thirty month (al ahgaf 15 )الاحقاف 15

[31:15] And We have enjoined on man concerning his parents — his mother bears him in weakness upon weakness, and his weaning takes two years — ‘Give thanks to Me and to thy parents. Unto Me is the final return.

His mother and here on the weakness of the weaning in two years( lkman 14 )لقمان 14
These three verses from the Koran

[31:15] And We have enjoined on man concerning his parents — his mother bears him in weakness upon weakness, and his weaning takes two years — ‘Give thanks to Me and to thy parents. Unto Me is the final return.

And interpretation contrary to the logic of the Koran in interpretation
Nevertheless, the three verses contrary to scientific logic also

Just you are not getting right what these verse say.....There is no contradiction with science, Quran is the only and unique book which ask believer to ponder at natural phenomenon because Quran is word of same God Who made science.

Pregnancy is a period of six months in the Koran
Is that correct ??

No It is not correct and Quran did not say it. Please bring the verse number if it said so.

Science says that the minimum period to carry the fetus to be successful birth is between seven and nine months
But the Koran says she six months
That these verses from the Koran contrary to reason and science.

Which verses said so? All three verses on topic are given in this post.

Are you getting it from:
[46:16] And We have enjoined on man to be good to his parents. His mother bears him with pain, and brings him forth with pain. And the bearing of him and his weaning takes thirty months,till, when he attains his full maturity and reaches the age of forty years, he says, ‘My Lord, grant me the power that I may be grateful for Thy favour which Thou hast bestowed upon me and upon my parents, and that I may do such good works as may please Thee. And make my seed righteous for me. I do turn to Thee; and, truly, I am of those who submit to Thee.’

Explanation:
30 month = 24 month weaving + 6 month (the last 6 important months
a== http://www.motherandbaby.co.uk/preg...ice/time-for-your-12-week-scan-what-to-expect

and

b== Two year milk feeding is a variable limit which could be less or more:
"Long-term breastfeeding (extended breastfeeding) is when you continue to breastfeed your babybeyond his first year.

If you decide that it's right for you and your baby, you're in good company with other mums around the world. In many societies, the age of weaning from the breast ranges from two years to four years."

http://www.babycentre.co.uk/a8496/extended-breastfeeding#ixzz3wjAdi7sW

Quran did not mention 9 or 6 or 7 months, there are no such words, if there are please show!.....Just in one verse it mentioned 30 months for bearing+weaning, which has explanation.

Save your minds, O Muslims

Peace be on you, our friend!

 

[mahasn ebn sawresho]

discussing?[/QUOTE]I think you are a woman
And Ante know well these issues
The minimum period to carry the fetus and his birth viable is seven months
But the Koran says that this period is six months
Do you believe the words of the Koran?

 

[psychoslice]

Do you think that the Koran explain this method is not true
Offer you important information about Islam only
That is why I am in this intellectual forum
He forum where free dialogue

That is what you believe, but I don't believe in what you believe, its that simple.

 

[mahasn ebn sawresho]

Which verses said so? All three verses on topic are given in this post.

I hope you adopt interpretations of ancient Muslim scholars
Every Muslim scholars say that less time to carry the fetus is six months
Verses and clear
Campaign and weaning thirty months
In other words, the lactation period of two years
When asked 24 months
It remains lactation period of six months, a minimum period to carry a fetus

 

[DawudTalut]

discussing?I think you are a woman
And Ante know well these issues
The minimum period to carry the fetus and his birth viable is seven months
But the Koran says that this period is six months
Do you believe the words of the Koran?

Since you wrote so in Post 26, just after my words: Thus
I am not a woman.
Just like this, your other thoughts are incorrect.
Good wishes.

 

[mahasn ebn sawresho]

That is what you believe, but I don't believe in what you believe, its that simple.

Thank you
If I told you that less gestation period of the fetus is six months
Do you believe my words?
If this was the word of God as Muslims Do you believe him say ???

 

[mahasn ebn sawresho]

Since you wrote so in Post 26, just after my words: Thus
I am not a woman.
Just like this, your other thoughts are incorrect.
Good wishes.

These are not my thoughts
It's the word of God in the Koran
It will also give you explanations of Muslim Scholars of these versesShaykh Ibn Uthaymeen in "interesting explanation" (13/339):
"The minimum period of pregnancy for six months, under the sign of the Koran, Allah Almighty says: (and campaign and weaning thirty months) and says (and weaning in two years). If we take two years to weaning remained of pregnancy for six months, and this is clear." End quote.
On this, Vantsabk for your father's right, there is no need to question it, and also you do not have to ask your parents Do they pray or not? The basic principle is the health of the marriage
The Shaykh al-Islam Ibn Taymiyyah Almighty God's mercy for the man who married a virgin woman, and she was born six months after the entry, is caused by the boy?
He replied: "If I was born for more than six months while income by even a moment of his right boy consensus of the imams, and such a story took place in the time of 'Umar ibn al-Khattab may Allah be pleased with him, and argued companions on the possibility of the fact that the boy for six months, saying the Almighty: (and campaign and weaning thirty months) Ahqaf / 15, with the saying: (birth and breastfeed their children full Holin) Cow / 233, if the duration of breastfeeding session: Holin, the pregnancy is six months, gathered in verse less overhead, and is fully breastfeeding. "End quote.
Al-Haafiz Ibn Kathir for devising Ali may Allah be pleased with him on this issue: "It is a powerful development of true, and it agreed, Osman, and a group of companions, God bless them

These Islamic references
And not fake ideas
You have to know, my friend islam

 

[FearGod]

He says and births breastfeed their children full Holin [Al-Baqarah: 233].
His mother and placed unwillingly and involuntarily campaign and weaning thirty month (al ahgaf 15 )الاحقاف 15
His mother and here on the weakness of the weaning in two years( lkman 14 )لقمان 14
These three verses from the Koran
And interpretation contrary to the logic of the Koran in interpretation
Nevertheless, the three verses contrary to scientific logic also
Pregnancy is a period of six months in the Koran
Is that correct ??
Science says that the minimum period to carry the fetus to be successful birth is between seven and nine months
But the Koran says she six months
That these verses from the Koran contrary to reason and science
Save your minds, O Muslims

The verses don't say pregnancy is 6 months.

To know exactly when a fetus is a person isn't agreed upon, but most think that
humans start to develop as a human being at the the end of the 3rd month.

God is talking about a person and not the zygote.

 

[Kelly of the Phoenix]

So ... are we talking about pregnancy (starts technically when the sperm meets the egg and it embeds somewhere) or viability (when a fetus can be born and have a snowball's chance of living)? Without NICU's, I have a hard time believing premature infants would last very long, given that mortality was rough even for full term infants.

To know exactly when a fetus is a person isn't agreed upon, but most think that
humans start to develop as a human being at the the end of the 3rd month.

God is talking about a person and not the zygote.

In the bible, you "count" as a person when you take the first breath post birth, none of this "life at conception" or whatever. In more general terms of sentience, you need evidence of self-awareness (rubbing off marks where they couldn't see it without the mirror you put in front of them).

 

[Tiberius]

DawudTalut Post 12
1=The core issue regarding the OP is his misunderstanding.

Tiberius Post 13
In post two, you appeared to use the time when the mother first feels the baby's weight as the beginning of pregnancy. That's not how pregnancy works.

DawudTalut
In Post 2, two verses are mentioned, they are again quoted:
[31:15] And We have enjoined on man concerning his parents — his mother bears him in weakness upon weakness, and his weaning takes two years — ‘Give thanks to Me and to thy parents. Unto Me is the final return.

AND

[46:16] And We have enjoined on man to be good to his parents. His mother bears him with pain, and brings him forth with pain. And the bearing of him and his weaning takes thirty months,till, when he attains his full maturity and reaches the age of forty years, he says, ‘My Lord, grant me the power that I may be grateful for Thy favour which Thou hast bestowed upon me and upon my parents, and that I may do such good works as may please Thee. And make my seed righteous for me. I do turn to Thee; and, truly, I am of those who submit to Thee.’


Please note:
[31:15] has words: his mother bears him in weakness upon weakness, and his weaning takes two years
It does not mention 9 months. This non-mention does not mean God of Quran does not know common pregnancy is 9 month.

[46:16] has words: And the bearing of him and his weaning takes thirty months,

Similalry, this verse does not mention 9 months too.
But combined duration of 30 months is mentioned
That is why I explained the words "bearing of him and his weaning takes thirty months"
as:
"Explanation
Considering 6 month when mother begins to feels weight + 24 = 30 month"
Re-stating for clarity:
Considering 6 month [after the first 3 month] when mother begins to feels weight + 24 = 30 month
This is something which is explained in
(re-referencing)
http://www.motherandbaby.co.uk/preg...ice/time-for-your-12-week-scan-what-to-expect



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DawutTalut Post 12
2=This is teaching of establishment of rights.

Tiberious Post 13
How does a person's rights change a basic biological fact?

DawudTalut:
Nowhere 9 month is discussed in Quran separately......No biological fact is being changed.
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DawudTalut Post 12
3=It is not mere matter of some duration.

Tiberious Post 13
Yes it is. We are talking about the duration of a human pregnancy.

DawudTalut
Quran is not talking only duration of human pregnancy, Quran is talking two things together pregnancy+weaning.

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DawudTalut Post 12
4=You are welcome to read notes of respective verse at
https://www.alislam.org/quran/tafseer/guide.htm?region=E1

Tiberious Post 13
If there is something specific you wish to show, please show it instead of making me read through the whole thing.

In any case, reading the note for the verse in question (31:15), it speaks mostly of the child's responsibilities to the mother.

If there is something else, please be specific about it rather than posting a generic link and making me search through it for something you claim is in there.

DawudTalut
Thanks for noting: "In any case, reading the note for the verse in question (31:15), it speaks mostly of the child's responsibilities to the mother."

All three verses mentioned above mention various wisdom;
e.g. NOTE 2725 @

http://www.alislam.org/quran/tafseer/?page=1012&region=EN&CR=



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DawudTalut Post 12
The first audience of the Book were also important to be addressed.

Tiberious Post 13
Irrelevant. If it was written for them and not our modern society, why should we even bother with it?

DawudTalut
Quran is for all times.

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DawudTalut Post 12
5=More than this teaching, following is the teaching about parents:
[17:24] Thy Lord has commanded, “Worship none but Him, and show kindness to parents. If one of them or both of them attain old age with thee, never say unto them any word expressive of disgust nor reproach them, but address them with excellent speech.

[17:25] “And lower to them the wing of humility out of tenderness. And say, ‘My Lord, have mercy on them even as they nourished me in my childhood.’”

Tiberious Post 13
I don't see anything in here about how long a pregnancy lasts. Please stick to the topic being discussed.

DawudTalut
a=You have noticed the rights of child are mentioned i.e." In any case, reading the note for the verse in question (31:15), it speaks mostly of the child's responsibilities to the mother."

b=The verses [17:24] and [17:25] guide about the other side of equation i.e. rights of parents.

Actually there is no discussion......There is just persistent-misunderstanding by some friends that [heaven forbidden] Quran does not know how long a pregnancy is? Actually it is not what Quran speaks, and it is shown above again.

Good wishes.

Please learn to use the quote tags. I have no idea what parts of this are actually your responses. I'm not going to go searching through this to find out what you're trying to say. If you want to participate in this discussion, please communicate clearly.

 

[mahasn ebn sawresho]

The verses don't say pregnancy is 6 months.

To know exactly when a fetus is a person isn't agreed upon, but most think that
humans start to develop as a human being at the the end of the 3rd month.

God is talking about a person and not the zygote.

This is the verse 15 of al-ahqaf
It is the word of God
His mother and placed unwillingly and involuntarily campaign and weaning thirty months
Read this verse well
Pregnancy and separation is thirty months
This verse 14 of Surah Luqman
He says the pregnancy is two years


Here we have a verse of Surah 15 Ahqaf says the pregnancy and separation thirty months
Verse 14 of Surah Luqman says that two years of separation
His mother and here on the weakness of the weaning in two years
Verse: 233 {and parents breastfeed their childen two year (حولين )holeen
Here is no contradiction between the verse 14 of al-ahqaf verse 15 of Surah Luqman
The first number thirty months
The second figure two years
That's been relying on verse 233 of Surat Al Qara to remove this contradiction
Namely, that the feeding period is two years
When asked two years of thirty months Abakh six months, a period of gestation of the fetus in the Koran
And all the Islamic historical books by any Muslim scholars did not disagree in this direction
Do you know more than these scholars, my friend ???

 

[mahasn ebn sawresho]

All doctors are studying modern medical science
Have you heard that the pregnancy the fetus is viable six-month period ???
Fetus, who was born before the ninth month
His life is difficult in normal circumstances
With medical advances and incubators children
The less successful period of pregnancy is seven months
I'm talking about the subject
& Call the conscience of the Muslim doctors
Is that your eyes have not extrapolation of these verses from the Koran
How do you believe in
You know the truth ???
Muslims appeal to doctors
And I hope that the right to speak, even if it was contrary to their faith blind

 

[FearGod]

This is the verse 15 of al-ahqaf
It is the word of God
His mother and placed unwillingly and involuntarily campaign and weaning thirty months
Read this verse well
Pregnancy and separation is thirty months
This verse 14 of Surah Luqman
He says the pregnancy is two years


Here we have a verse of Surah 15 Ahqaf says the pregnancy and separation thirty months
Verse 14 of Surah Luqman says that two years of separation
His mother and here on the weakness of the weaning in two years
Verse: 233 {and parents breastfeed their childen two year (حولين )holeen
Here is no contradiction between the verse 14 of al-ahqaf verse 15 of Surah Luqman
The first number thirty months
The second figure two years
That's been relying on verse 233 of Surat Al Qara to remove this contradiction
Namely, that the feeding period is two years
When asked two years of thirty months Abakh six months, a period of gestation of the fetus in the Koran
And all the Islamic historical books by any Muslim scholars did not disagree in this direction
Do you know more than these scholars, my friend ???

Did you understand my short post?

Do you think you are a person in the first day of conception?
Do you think the sperm is a human being?
Do you think the ovum is a human being?
Do you think the zygote is a human being?

God is addressing the human being,IOW when the soul is attached to the body and
the zygote become body and soul which can't be before the end of the 3rd month.

 

[mahasn ebn sawresho]

So ... are we talking about pregnancy (starts technically when the sperm meets the egg and it embeds somewhere) or viability (when a fetus can be born and have a snowball's chance of living)? Without NICU's, I have a hard time believing premature infants would last very long, given that mortality was rough even for full term infants.

Talk about the composition of the fetus has a private other verses from the Koran
This is another topic
But three verses from the Koran speaks of the duration of pregnancy
Because it is important in Islamic law
Because if married man
And his wife was born in the sixth month
Here intervene Islamic law
Is this the boy to his father,
Or is the ******* ???And all the world's women and doctors who do not know the science of medicine
In Africa, Asia and Europe
Know that less time to carry the fetus is between seven months and nine months
But God in the Koran says it Sth months
Do you believe in the Koran
And cancel our minds ??
This special my words, which sent him to the Muslim doctors who cancel their minds on blind faith Account

 

[mahasn ebn sawresho]

Did you understand my short post?

Do you think you are a person in the first day of conception?
Do you think the sperm is a human being?
Do you think the ovum is a human being?
Do you think the zygote is a human being?

God is addressing the human being,IOW when the soul is attached to the body and
the zygote become body and soul which can't be before the end of the 3rd month.

Formation of the fetus is the word and the subject of another
And the Koran in which many mistakes in this topic
I hope that the Atkhalt between embryo formation
And the period of childbirth and lactation
They separate themes
Spoke on the subject
To graduate with him
There are figures in the Koran
Thirty months and two years
The lactation period of two years
Thirty km remains of months, a period of pregnancy the fetus ??
You have to ask Muslim jurists and old mentors ??
They agree on after

 

[FearGod]

Formation of the fetus is the word and the subject of another
And the Koran in which many mistakes in this topic
I hope that the Atkhalt between embryo formation
And the period of childbirth and lactation
They separate themes
Spoke on the subject
To graduate with him
There are figures in the Koran
Thirty months and two years
The lactation period of two years
Thirty km remains of months, a period of pregnancy the fetus ??
You have to ask Muslim jurists and old mentors ??
They agree on after

I didn't understand your English, i only understand simple english.