What is ment by Realizeation ?

[chinu]

What is ment by Realizeation ?

• When someone come know, what is truth. or
• When someone feels that he/she was wrong that time.

What do think is the difference between these two above statements ? or.. are they same somehow, or somewhere ?
Finally what is ment by when someone says, god realized ?

_/\_
Chinu

 

[Friend of Bill W]

If you have never tasted vanilla ice-cream before, and I described it to you, I could say:

It's cold.
It's sweet.
It's silky
It's lovely

And you would get a conceptual understanding of ice-cream.

But if you TASTED that ice-cream for yourself, you would then have a DIRECT REALISATION of it yourself.

So I guess 'God realised' is someone whose had a direct, non conceptual, experience with God.

I think that's what it means anyway.

 

[Onkara]

Brother Chinu
What do you mean by "when someone feels that he/she was wrong that time"? Please explain further if you can?

 

[Onkara]

If you have never tasted vanilla ice-cream before, and I described it to you, I could say:

It's cold.
It's sweet.
It's silky
It's lovely

And you would get a conceptual understanding of ice-cream.

But if you TASTED that ice-cream for yourself, you would then have a DIRECT REALISATION of it yourself.

So I guess 'God realised' is someone whose had a direct, non conceptual, experience with God.

I think that's what it means anyway.

I agree.

Why do you think God realised is an experience of God specifically and not something else? Not debating, just curious

 

[`mud]

A realization of that which was not known before that point in time.
A realization that some previously unknown entity was wrongly assumed.
A realization of information in the gnosis of inner being was original in it's truth.
A realization that a knowledge of prior gnosis is in error, contrary to forthought.
A realization of an existance of a creator that caused itself to be created.
A realization of eternity contained into an infinity.
A realization of the never ending, infinitly massive, size of the Cosmos.
A realization of the depth of the inner being of oneself.
~
`mud

 

[YmirGF]

God realization is the direct, first hand, experience of Oneness, wherein perception of subject/object dissolves.

 

[Friend of Bill W]

I agree.

Why do you think God realised is an experience of God specifically and not something else? Not debating, just curious

I don't; I don't believe in 'God' as some magical deity that helps some and ignores others on a seemingly random basis.

I was just trying to help the OP out on his/her understanding of 'realisation'.

 

[YmirGF]

I don't; I don't believe in 'God' as some magical deity that helps some and ignores others on a seemingly random basis.

I was just trying to help the OP out on his/her understanding of 'realisation'.

I think you hit on an interesting point. It is my view that "god-realization" necessarily, precedes what could be called "self-realization". In the former, there is an inherent separation implied between ordinary consciousness and "god consciousness", whereas with "self-realization", it is an expansion of the existing state of awareness that better reflects the subjective view of Oneness. The point is, Oneness is always seen from the 1st person perspective. "You" are the one that experiences Oneness (even if the conception of "you" is greatly expanded by the experience). At that stage, the traditional concepts of "god" become relatively meaningless.

 

[Onkara]

I think you hit on an interesting point. It is my view that "god-realization" necessarily, precedes what could be called "self-realization". In the former, there is an inherent separation implied between ordinary consciousness and "god consciousness", whereas with "self-realization", it is an expansion of the existing state of awareness that better reflects the subjective view of Oneness. The point is, Oneness is always seen from the 1st person perspective. "You" are the one that experiences Oneness (even if the conception of "you" is greatly expanded by the experience). At that stage, the traditional concepts of "god" become relatively meaningless.

And this is an interesting addition. Put this makes it makes much sense to see "god consciousness" preceding "self-realisation", as you explain.

At that stage, the traditional concepts of "god" become relatively meaningless.

What then, what is the next step (if any)?

 

[chinu]

If you have never tasted vanilla ice-cream before, and I described it to you, I could say:

It's cold.
It's sweet.
It's silky
It's lovely

And you would get a conceptual understanding of ice-cream.

But if you TASTED that ice-cream for yourself, you would then have a DIRECT REALISATION of it yourself.

So I guess 'God realised' is someone whose had a direct, non conceptual, experience with God.

I think that's what it means anyway.

:bow: Your Knowledge, your wisedom.
_/\_
Chinu

 

[chinu]

Brother Chinu
What do you mean by "when someone feels that he/she was wrong that time"? Please explain further if you can?

This also means same.
Whenever someone will realize god, definatly the person will feel that his/her previous knowledge about god was wrong.
I was just confusing the post, by making these two options, deeply the meanings are same.

_/\_
Chinu

 

[chinu]

A realization of that which was not known before that point in time.
A realization that some previously unknown entity was wrongly assumed.
A realization of information in the gnosis of inner being was original in it's truth.
A realization that a knowledge of prior gnosis is in error, contrary to forthought.
A realization of an existance of a creator that caused itself to be created.
A realization of eternity contained into an infinity.
A realization of the never ending, infinitly massive, size of the Cosmos.
A realization of the depth of the inner being of oneself.
~
`mud

And.
~
A realization of from where the mud came.
~
_/\_
Chinu