Totally agreed! And hence, we don't do that, but rather take it via two perspectives.
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What is nothing?
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freethinker44
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freethinker44
Well-Known Member
Can you put nothing in a barrel?
Is nothing a thing?
The intuitive answer is no. And this probably right, we all intuitively know what emtpy space is, but the only way we can describe it in a way we understand is by inserting something in it which we call nothing. So it appears our understanding of empty space is somewhat incomplete if we can't describe it without putting nothing inside of it.
It's just a critical thinking exercise that forces you to constantly refine your answer. More of a word game than a debate.
Is nothing a thing?
The intuitive answer is no. And this probably right, we all intuitively know what emtpy space is, but the only way we can describe it in a way we understand is by inserting something in it which we call nothing. So it appears our understanding of empty space is somewhat incomplete if we can't describe it without putting nothing inside of it.
It's just a critical thinking exercise that forces you to constantly refine your answer. More of a word game than a debate.
Twilight Hue
Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
The only reason people "identify" nothing as such is that it in order for it to be nothing, it simply must contrast with something which in turn creates form.
We perceive space in the way of formation and outlines. You simply can't have all of nothing or all of something as then there would be no identifiable form. The converse also holds true in that, for a person to identify something, there must then be space of nothing to contrast with such, and then we perceive form. What we actually see then is the "form and shapes" of something and the "form and shapes" of nothing, and thus affix meanings to them.
We perceive space in the way of formation and outlines. You simply can't have all of nothing or all of something as then there would be no identifiable form. The converse also holds true in that, for a person to identify something, there must then be space of nothing to contrast with such, and then we perceive form. What we actually see then is the "form and shapes" of something and the "form and shapes" of nothing, and thus affix meanings to them.
freethinker44
Well-Known Member
Wouldn't everything include nothing as well?
If you exclude anything from "everything", how could you call it everything.
If you exclude anything from "everything", how could you call it everything.
Kilgore Trout
Misanthropic Humanist
no i wont
So, there is no difference. Just as I suspected.
Venatoris
Active Member
Is the glass half full or half empty? Neither, the glass is always full. It contains 50% liquid and 50% nothing.
YmirGF
Bodhisattva in Recovery
In reality, the "nothing" part is filled with air, son... sort of like most of the comments in this thread.
nameless
The Creator
finally accepted there exists no difference b/w darkness and true darkness, right?
Kilgore Trout
Misanthropic Humanist
I found that no difference exists between nothing and "true nothingness." You claim to have this knowledge, but are curiously unwilling to express it. I'll have to assume no difference exists unless you can show otherwise.
nameless
The Creator
so what incase of darkness and true darkness? difference exists or not?
Venatoris
Active Member
Incorrect, My glass is in a vacuum sealed container.:ignore: lol.
Kilgore Trout
Misanthropic Humanist
Dark is word which describes an absence of light. "True darkness" is a meaningless phrase.
Nothing is word which describes the absence of something. "True nothingness" is a meaningless phrase.
YmirGF
Bodhisattva in Recovery
Oh fine, move the goal posts... :cover:
K.Venugopal
Immobile Wanderer
50% nothing in the glass means 50% no water. So 'nothing' pops up every time there is a lack of something. Has nothing an individuality all of its own, instead of just being a 'no-something'? I think silence, darkness, stillness, emptiness etc. falls in the realm of 'nothing' and it is from 'nothing' that everything has come. Therefore nothing is God - the shunya, as the Buddhists say.